Adobe Trial Downloads

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paultv
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I'm trying to download Adobe Master collection CS5.5 or Premium collection CS5.5 and just cannot get the thing to work - anyone having the same issue - is there a problem with the files - one computer here will start the download but stalls after downloading about 1GB.

Just wanted to check out new Audition and PPro as well as AE..... unfortunately Audition only comes with the collections...

tried with Chrome, Firefox and IE8

Paul :-)

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I had a little bit of an issue that had to do with getting the Adobe Download Manager up and running... it required Java which wasn't installed on the machine I was using to download it with. However, once I'd installed Java and got the ADM going the download worked fine. I was using Firefox. Took me about 2.5 hours for the 5.3GB download...

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Left it downloading last night before I went home. Installed in 2 machines today. The only slight snag was I using 32bit version of Explorer due to the need for Flash! Once downloaded copied across network to edit machines and gave it a whirl. Haven't seen any noticeable improvement (yet) so might give it a miss and spend my money elsewhere.

SimonMW
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The problem, Paul, is that it is Adobe. ;)

Mark M
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Now Simon, I saw your little wink, but I'm still going to rise to the bait!
I see from your website that you edit with FCP and you've recently got a 60D. What's your workflow with that? With Premiere Pro CS5.5 you can bring the 60D footage straight from the card to the HDD to the timeline. No rewrapping or transcoding. You can bring your H4's audio straight in. You can link the audio from the H4 with the video from the 60D and keep them linked through the whole editing process. Premiere just treats it as a single clip. Then you can play your timeline back at full speed and full resolution without any rendering. You see, that's Adobe. Now, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it's that simple in FCP, is it?

Gavin, I'm finding CS5.5 evolutionary rather than revolutionary except for what I wrote above regarding this linking, which is neat.
Also I like:

  • The return of Audition, though I'd prefer a proper dynamic link between PPro and Audition.
  • That it's faster than CS5, certainly when outputting CUDA supported targets like H264. My rendering time's about a third quicker. Also I've been playing with the new Film Dissolve effect, which seems better than the previous dissolve.
  • That Media Encoder now lets you encode one file to multiple targets.
  • The Warp Stabiliser in After Effects, which is brilliant. Have a play with that! Worth shooting some shaky footage just to try it out.

I've been working my way through the episodes here, and playing with them in the programs. I'm liking this CS5.5, I have to say.
http://tv.adobe.com/show/cs-55-production-premium-feature-tour-/

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My workflow generally involved 5D2RGB which converts to Prores while also performing high quality Chroma smoothing and a few other things at the same time. I know Premiere is now fairly good. But I still have big problems with Adobe and their worldwide pricing policies and their hugely expensive upgrade prices.

BTW, have you seen the new FCP X? :)

paultv
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Finally got it through these guys:

http://prodesigntools.com/adobe-cs5-5-direct-download-links.html

this is a no download manager link which works :-) lets see if Audition is
any good, the demo at Earls Court looked OK

Paul :-)

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SimonMW wrote:
But I still have big problems with Adobe and their worldwide pricing policies and their hugely expensive upgrade prices.

But apparently not with Apple :D

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Bob Aldis wrote:
But apparently not with Apple :D

You might find this difficult to believe (and I have to admit that I've found this fairly incredible) but there has been a lot of comment about the next version of FCP being too cheap.;)

Never a problem that Adobe software has ever suffered from imho.

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I didn't think anyone actually paid for Adobe software........ isn't it all free??

Paul :-)

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Medidox wrote:
You might find this difficult to believe (and I have to admit that I've found this fairly incredible) but there has been a lot of comment about the next version of FCP being too cheap.;)

Never a problem that Adobe software has ever suffered from imho.

. . . but knowing Apple from the past . . . this is just Final Cut Pro. There is word that the rest of the studio will arrive shortly afterwards which may well involve more cash. Interesting is the point that FCPX will be available from the Mac App Store from June so maybe it's downloads from now on with no more disks?

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But apparently not with Apple

No, because I don't have a need to. FCP was always much cheaper than the Adobe and Avid equivalents. The only NLE which gave similar value was Sony Vegas, but that's on the PC. The upgrade to the FCP suite was only around £220. Compare that to Adobe!

Then we come on to worldwide costs. Adobe has a habit of hugely inflating prices in different parts of Europe, quite often charging Pound for Dollar.

Here's what I mean.

Final Cut Studio US $999
Final Cut Studio UK £834

Adobe Premiere Pro CS5.5 US $799
Adobe Premiere Pro CS5.5 UK £810

The situation is a lot worse for people in other parts of Europe when it comes to Adobe software.

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There is word that the rest of the studio will arrive shortly afterwards which may well involve more cash.

Why would that be a problem? Even if you had to pay more for each app it would still be far less than the full Adobe suite.

It actually makes more sense. I wonder how many people who own Final Cut Studio actually regularly use Color for example, if at all. Or how many people can really use or need to use Motion? Splitting it into affordable chunks makes things more practical in my mind.

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Interesting is the point that FCPX will be available from the Mac App Store from June so maybe it's downloads from now on with no more disks?

App store is likely the preferred method. But as per Lion they will probably offer disks as well because they are aware that not everyone has fast internet, and some don't have it at all on their edit machines.

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SimonMW wrote:
My workflow generally involved 5D2RGB which converts to Prores while also performing high quality Chroma smoothing and a few other things at the same time. I know Premiere is now fairly good. But I still have big problems with Adobe and their worldwide pricing policies and their hugely expensive upgrade prices.

So while your computer is busy converting that 60D to Prores so you can edit it in FCP, I'm already away and editing on Premiere. Saves time which is money, which pays for the extra cost of the software. :)

And what's your editing experience like? Can you playback those Prores files full resolution full speed without rendering in FCP? Can you add colour correction and effects and PiPs and still play back at full speed and full resolution without rendering? I really am curious. I can do all that in Premiere Pro. I can certainly get four layers worth with Canon DSLR footage. Haven't tried more.

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BTW, have you seen the new FCP X? :)

I've seen the videos from the Supermeet. AFAIK there's not a finalised shipping product available, so it's not possible to see what the full feature set will be. But the price is nice! As a DVDStudio Pro user I'm curious to see whether they'll be offering a new version of that. Maybe one which even allows one to author Blu-ray discs :D But I suspect that's a hope too far.

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Can you playback those Prores files full resolution full speed without rendering in FCP?

Yes. FCP is optimised for use with Prores and vice versa.

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Can you add colour correction and effects and PiPs and still play back at full speed and full resolution without rendering?

Depends which effects. Some of them yes. For the record even if I had got the latest Premiere Pro I still wouldn't be able to do all the fancy things that you mention because I run on a Mac Pro 1,1 and do not have a graphics card that meets the requirements for all the real time gubbins.

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Bob Aldis wrote:
But apparently not with Apple :D

I totally agree with your sentiments about Adobe's pricing Simon and since Premiere 6.5 I am not a fan of their software at all. Knowing absolutely nothing about FCP I was more concerned about Apple being held up as an example of fairness because of their hardware pricing policies.

Bob Aldis

col lamb
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Our you can get Edius Neo or 6 and edit way cheaper and just as good if not better on a less specified PC when compared to CS5.

Oh yes, this Apple thing about converting video files, you do not have to with either Edius version.

Had a session editing with a friends Mac...............ug............hated it.

As a user of Premiere for 15 years it was quite a decision to dump it and move on.......................absolutely no regrets.

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paultv wrote:
I didn't think anyone actually paid for Adobe software........ isn't it all free??

Paul :-)

No, you sometimes have to pay 20p for a blank DVD:rolleyes:

Actually, in terms of international pricing, Sony is quite fair. If you compare the relative USD, Euro and GBP prices, they all seem to match typical exchange rates. Of course, VAT gets charged on European purchases, but that's not Sony's fault.

Also, Vegas Pro 10 accepts Canon .mov files straight from the camera, and if the platform has sufficient grunt, will edit fairly smoothly without any transcoding.

Steve

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Sony's fair pricing of Vegas was one reason that I went for it originally. Aside from charging tax, which they are obliged to do by law, the price for the download version is the same no matter which country that you order from, because it all gets downloaded from the same servers.

Try that with the downloadable versions of Adobe software! Hands down Adobe are a money grabbing bunch of ****ers. They have no excuse for their worldwide pricing policy. They always try to claim that it is because they want to give the highest quality service (!) or because of currency exchange rates. Funny how Sony manage perfectly okay though as do other companies.

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Had a session editing with a friends Mac...............ug............hated it.

One session isn't really enough to understand a system. I edited with Vegas for years, and if FCP really was crap I wouldn't use it instead now. The reason I left Vegas was that I got fed up with important bugs being left in the program and not being worked on in favour of working on new fangled fancy extras. It got to a point where the software would crash regularly simply rendering out files or importing an EDL from a previous version of Vegas to update an older project for a client. I also felt that it was becoming bloated.

I have however tried Avid a number of times and find it utterly mind boggling. I cannot understand how anyone can use it. I have also tried their recent versions and found them to be buggy as hell.

Finally, Col, it is all very well to complain about FCP needing to convert files, but the same goes for Avid too if you want it to perform at its best.

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You r last comment is why I stick with Edius, it doesn't need to convert files to use them, it just gets on with the important job, editing video. I've tried and abandoned a few other NLEs, but nothing comes as close to the core matter of just getting on with the job.

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+1 on that although I do wish they would improve the audio side.

Rob The picture is only there to keep the sound in sync

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Being unable to drop files onto the FCP timeline is a pain (actually you can do it, but it performs like a dog). I would be extremely surprised if this state of affairs hasn't changed with FCP X. Remember that the core code of FCP is a number of years old. The new FCP has been worked on for a long time because it is a total and utter ground up rewrite and rethink, in the same way Adobe totally rewrote Premiere to produce Premiere Pro.

I've seen Edius, and I like some stuff about it, though I prefer Vegas. I am on a Mac though so options are more limited. At the moment I'm waiting for the Mac Lightworks beta to come out.

While the PC has more choice of NLE, I hate the thought of using a clunky DOS shadowed Windows operating system again.

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Don't want to turn this into another boring PC v Mac rant but I feel the same way as Simon but in reverse. The idea of using OSX on top of Unix all the time is not one I relish.
I do have both but I prefer PCs. That said, I like what I've seen of FCP X.
Must catch up with the PC Lightworks beta.

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The idea of using OSX on top of Unix all the time is not one I relish.

While I too want to avoid a vs rant, I am interested as to why? One reason I do not like the way that Windows works is because when things go wrong the DOS underpinnings become a huge part of getting the thing to work again. The way that Windows spreads system files everywhere, the way that the registry can get corrupted, system conflicts, DLL files, the nag screens, the list goes on.

I knew I had to have a Mac when I tried one and it connected to my existing PC network without any issue, while the PC laptop required all sorts of surgery within all the nonsensical Windows network settings to get working.

I much prefer being able to simply delete a program by dragging to the trashcan rather than having the system gradually slow down over time due to that registry thing being clogged. Incidentally this is another reason I do not like Adobe software because it uses the PC mentality of spreading silly little files all over the place instead of keeping things neat and tidy.

Sorry, I ranted ;)

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Also, not wishing to take part in partisan rants, my experience is diametrically opposite to yours. My PC systems just work. No nag screens ever. No confilcts. It all just works, just like it should.

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Download Premiere CS5.5 as a trial and had a play, its like returning to see an old friend after a year using Edius.

Did some serious layering and effects and guess what, Edius 6 plays back a similar timeline way better.

That said CS5.5 does seem Ok and my system is using the Nvidia GTX 580 card just a bit of hesitation in one clip with severe blur, bevel and distortion applied. I do not mean stutter it is just a couple of single pauses a second apart.

Impressed so far, not impressed with either the outright prices or the monthly/yearly subscription options................get real Adobe.

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An update on my test of last night

Background video plus 4 PIP's each clip with colour correction, blur and one other effect added resulted in playback in realtime with no problem until CS5.5 crashed.

Same arrangement tested in Edius 6.2 no problem at all.

Then put SD, AVCHD and Canon 7D video in the CS5 timeline with background video and three PIP's each clip having one video effect and no playback issua at all all in realtime.

So on my system for everyday editing CS5.5 worked a treat and I only had problems when really pushing it with effects.

I then looked at the Adobbe TV site and some of the promo's, very impressed with what I saw but I assume it is a £2000 GPU and twin Xeon system!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now where is that loto ticket.

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