ADS PYRO DRIVE KITS?

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rongrover
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This is really a question for johnrp98. Had a look at your web site, very impressed, you are obviously an ADS supporter.

I also use these and have 3 with HD - CD RW - DVD RW connected by firewire. However I do find it very annoying that it seems each one has to be connected to the mains seperately, unless there is some means of connecting them together with just one power lead coming away I dont know about.If there is, it would be nice if it was part of the kit.

Also it seems to me that you have to have them all powered up just to use one, otherwise the firewire connection has no power,except for the one that has the firewire cable connected that goes to the computer, is this correct?

Also getting them accepted by the computer is a bind, especially the disconnection, ie using the method the computer ask you to use of disconnecting them before computer switch off.

Is there no way that they can be operated as though they are part of the computer, ie when you switch on the computer it brings into action the ADS units and when you close down it also closes the ADS units.

These would be great items to have with say a small barebones computer, if only they were not so fiddly to get started and close down. Any idea's.

I also use windows 98se as my main editing system, but keep being advised to go for 2000 or xp. Strangely the reasons are the limitations of fat 32, but I see you have this still?? As someone involved with so much video, does this not cause any problems?? I have also done most of my work on an 1800 athlon with a standard pc chips M810L motherboard, but must admit I am now in the process of upgradeing.

Ron.

ps Although I have aimed this question at John ( if you look at his site you will see why ) I would welcome comments from other ADS users.

bcrabtree
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Ron,

You are correct about each drive needing to have its own power lead. Not quite sure why you think that ADS drive bays should work any differently in that respect to any other mains powered device.

However, there is a way to use the drives independently - add a FireWire hub to your PC and connect the drives to that hub. That way, whatever is turned on is seen by the PC.

Not at all sure what you mean when you say this,

"Also getting them accepted by the computer is a bind, especially the disconnection, ie using the method the computer ask you to use of disconnecting them before computer switch off."

It is NOT necessary to turn off the drives before you power off the PC - not in my experience, covering very many PCs (Windows and Mac) and a wide range of drive bays including three different types of ADS bay.

The point you make abaout wishing to use the ADS bays as though they were part of the PC is one that, in my view applies to a huge range of external add-on - modems, hubs (FireWire, USB, Ethernet), printers, scanners, card readers and much more, including disc drives (Zip, hard disks, CD-ROM drives and writers and DVD burners).

Heck, you could also include DV VCRs (such as the Sony Walkman I use) and the PC monitor (which, today, is seldom powered from a mains outlet on the PC - and a good thing too, cos monitors take too much power).

If I had the money, I know that I could develop a solution to this problem that LOTS (read, "A HUGE NUMBER") of computer users would want to buy.

Bob C

johnpr98
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Hi Ron

1.I have seperate power connectors

2. I switch my firewire drives on before start up (Connect fine) & switch them off last

3. I have the most important one's wired up in Priority of useage

4. I never switch them off before the computer (Unless I have a reason, then I use the 'Unplug or Eject Hardware 'icon in the task bar).

5. FAT32 is still on my rarely used 98SE partition, all my other drives are now NTFS (Rules ) including Win 20000 (I haven't updated my web pages for a while )

Regards

John
http://www.johnpr98.com/

[This message has been edited by johnpr98 (edited 10 April 2003).]

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tim.callaghan
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quote:Originally posted by johnpr98:
all my other drives are now NTFS including Win 20000

Is that the OS that runs on bio-computers?

Tim

JaySnow
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quote:Originally posted by tim.callaghan:

Is that the OS that runs on bio-computers?

Tim

By then Computers will be running us

johnpr98
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Sorry I meant Windows £2,000

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jove
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Ron, re your question about Win98 - I found Win98 not bad for editing and because of the sort of stuff I take I was quite happy to keep all captures to 4GB.

However, my Win98 system would edit perfectly for an hour or so, and then MSP 6.0 would start to play tricks - eg. try to preview a clip and it would appear to go to sleep. Re-boot and everything would be fine for another hour. I suspect memory leaks in Win98 (Windows has never managed memory well.

So, when I upgraded my PC I installed Win2K Pro. Not obviously better when you use it - except it never goes wrong and MSP keeps working properly as long as I can bear to look at the screens. (Of course, it's Windows so it does fail sometimes, but rarely). If you don't have these failures in 98 then stay with it - till you HAVE to upgrade.

I think that win2K is clearly better than 98. Oh, I also went NTFS and I have found it useful to write out 1 hour files to tape.

cheers, JOVE

rongrover
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Thanks for replies. Jove, what is MSP6?.
I expect there is a logical explination, but at present cant see it.

Thanks again, Ron.

bcrabtree
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MSP = MediaStudio Pro - Ulead's semi-pro video editing program.

Bob C

tilski
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With regards to you power lead scenario. Whilst at the Beeb I came across power leads that where custom built and allowed you to daisy chain equipment together and only end up with one plug.

Of course you've got to know what you're doing with your electrics if you decide to make one of these yourself ie fuse ratings etc.

All the best

Til

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mooblie
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Another comment about leads - not power, but the FireWire signal leads and their interface inside each external drive casing:

It is NOT necessary to have every drive powered upstream in the daisy chain for any downstream drive to work.

That is, you can have a drive - connected, but switched off - that allows the FireWire signal to pass through, down the chain to a "later" drive in the chain that you are using.

Obviously, the "data" part of the FireWire interface - at least the part that passes the signal through - is either completely passive, or takes its power from the FireWire chain - they do all use 6-pin FireWire cables, after all.

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redleader
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The new Firewire 2 specification allows for providing power to external devices such as hard drives, so these kind of products should be just around the corner. I know Lacie already provide an external drive that needs no power cable.

mooblie
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Surely FireWire "1" already allowed for powering devices down the cable (if 6-pin to 6-pin cables used, and appropriate devices) - like for example, a Mac and an iPod ?

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