ALL-in-Wonder vs dedicated capture card

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brian24
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I am considering purchasing a replacement PC. I will want to carry out both analogue and digital video editing. I can either leave the existing graphics card,a 3Ti200, and fit a Pinnacle DC10 together with an Audigy sound card for Firewire input, or change the 3Ti200 for a Radeon 8500 All-in-wonder. The total cost will be the same. The question is which will give the best video editing results? I get the impression that the Studio 7 s/ware with the DC10 is better than the Ulead Videostudio5 with the Radeon. But will the quality of output be any different? Will the DC10 run with Windows XP Home and are there any compatibility problems with either the ALI MAGIK 1 or VIA KT266A chipsets. I have read many of the forums around but cannot find an answer to my initial question. Can anyone guide me please? In case it is relevant the selected PCs would have an Athlon XP1800 or 1900 processor, 512 Mb DDR,80 Gb 7200rpm hard drive and Audigy Player sound card.
bri

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col
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If you are serious forget the all in wonder and certainly the DC10.

If you take my advice you will look at a system based on a Matrox RT2500.

Start saving up

col

Bomag
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What the point of telling brian to spend over twice as much as he has budgeted for without giving a verry good reason?

As you have a GF3 TI 200 I assume you want to play 3D games (mainly as it is aimed at the gaming sector). The Radeon 8500 AIW is not as fast in 3D as the normal 8500 or your GF3. I would therefore not recomend a AIW.

I have never used a DC10 and don't know to much about it. If you don't have to much analogue foottage to edit I would suggest a Dazzle DV bridge or similar (Canopus etc). This is within your budget and provides a good way of capturing as the AVI is in the same format as my DV footage and makes editing easier. The quality of my early 90's VHS stuff is as good as if played directly to TV.

As a standalone product you will not have nearly the same amount of potential problems as with an internal PCI card.

If you are willing to increase your budget and look at the £500-£700 sector you will not only see dual DV/analouge but also real time transitions and more powerful software (Premiere). It depends on how much you can afford and how much you will use the equipment. I went for a DV Bridge (at a sale for £125) and saved enough for a DVD writer!

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brian24
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quote:Originally posted by col:
If you are serious forget the all in wonder and certainly the DC10.

If you take my advice you will look at a system based on a Matrox RT2500.

Start saving up

Thanks Col but I am afraid that the RT2500 is out of my price league.

bri

brian24
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quote:Originally posted by Bomag:

As you have a GF3 TI 200 I assume you want to play 3D games.
If you don't have to much analogue foottage to edit I would suggest a Dazzle DV bridge or similar (Canopus etc).
As a standalone product you will not have nearly the same amount of potential problems as with an internal PCI card.

[This message has been edited by Bomag (edited 17 March 2002).]

Thanks for the advice Bomag.
I am noyr really into gaming apart from possibly flight simulation. The 3Ti200 is the normal card in the package I am looking at. I could go down to tha new 4MX440 if it is still adequate for editing.
I have seen the DV Bridge advertised but not read any test reports. I had not realised that there were still problems with internal cards such as the AiW or DC10. I will look at the Bridge.

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Brian

Only go for the GF4MX if you save over £50 on the cost of the system. If they have an option for a normal ATI radeon8500/7500 go for that as the video output has a higher quality than nvidia cards.

There was a review of the DV bridge in the CV magazine last year, I believe back copies of just the artical are available.

Internal PCI cards require an IRQ (interupt number), there are a limited number of these which means that some need to be shared by a number of devices. This often leads to problems and tears! An external device means that you don't have a potential IRQ problem (although other problems may crop up)

col
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Brian

Lets get you into something worthwhile. But for that we need a bit more information about your setup.

The DC10 is really a dire product and is only fit to be supported by about 100 tonnes of rubbish at the local tip. The all in wonder is not a DV card and as far as I know only outputs at low resolution via s-video.

Do you have a capability of a working DV input on your camcorder, if you do then there is no point in spending vast sums of cash.

You do not need an expensive graphic card for editing, I have built systems using a 20 pound card and they work just fine. The present favourite is the ATI Radeon VE at about £45 for a dual head card with s-video output. Motherboard at £105, Processor £75, ram £50, fan £10, hard disks £65 and £105, case £35. £500 so far plus cost of capture card or audigy, that is cheap. if you have a P11 of 400 or above then that may be OK. I have had a DV system working very well on a 350 PII also in the system was a DC30 analogue card, so if you can get hold of a second hand DC30 or DC30+ for a cheap price then you could get the best of both worlds.

You do not need to spend large sums of cash to make a digital editing system, you do need to spend more if you want a reliable analogue system. I've been down the analogue route for years, do try to get fully into DV, copy analogue tape onto DV the quality of the footage will actually increase, its all to do with the processing.

col

bruens
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Hi
I do have a ATI AIW radeon , yes not the newer types, and a pinnacle dv500 and a ohci firewire card working happy side by side in a dual boot system wuth win98 and ainxp.
As for capturing wich card would do the works I think just depends on two things . First what kind of source footage ( analog or DV ) and what output do you want.
For analog source and a svcd or vcd output I use the ATI AIW radeon capturing 352*288 or 480*576 ( yes I'm in a PAL country ) without any dropped frames in real time and with a very nice result. OK one has to remux the resulting MPEG with for instance the freeware program TMPEG because the ATI mpeg is not completely compatible , but that just take a few minutes.
Only when the source is high quality and I do have to do some editing to the footage I do use the DV500 or the OHCI card grabbing DV and transcoding to MPEG or outputting as Avi. The result is of course better, but only if the source is better as wel.
Don't let people tell you that one has to spend a fortune for editing video , its not always needed

rob