AMD XP processors

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GrahamM
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AMD's website now has details of their new range of processors. They say they're optimised for video (amongst other things).. but looking at their benchmarks in more detail the figures aren't too impressive (they quote about 21% faster than a Pentium 4). Anyone any thoughts? Can we expect the old Athlon 1.4 to plunge in price now?

PD
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Graham,

For the moment I still see platforms based on AMD CPU as the most coherent available.

If your primary application is video editing then when you spec and price up your system do not disregard the AMD Duron 1.0 and 1.10 GHz parts.

Ø but looking at their benchmarks in more detail the figures aren't too impressive (they quote about 21% faster than a Pentium 4)

Er, not sure what you were expecting, but that *is* impressive and even more so when you factor in the price you’d end up paying!

Gogglebox,

For the moment only the AMD AthlonMP processors are validated for SMP operation; they are in everything but name multi-processing capable AthlonXP processors and as of today are now available as follows:

1.0GHz AMD AthlonMP
1.2GHz AMD AthlonMP
1.33GHz AMD AthlonMP 1500+
1.40GHz AMD AthlonMP 1600+
1.533GHz AMD AthlonMP 1800+

Check out this document that has just been released: http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_543~10687,00.html

Regarding FASTstudio DV. This is almost the perfect application to demonstrate the power of the AMD multiprocessing platform and is the application we used at the Press Launch of the AMD AthlonMP and AMD-760MP chipset in Munich earlier this year.

In respect of a mainboard for these processors my strong recommendation is that you go with any variant of the TYAN S2462 Thunder K7 and not, unless AMD validate a subsequent revision, the current TYAN S460 TigerMP.

Hope this helps,

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Bomag
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Why do you not recomend the Tiger?

The reviews I have seen say it is just as good as the Thunder as regards stability and performance. The loss of the on-board LAN SCSI etc is made up be the lower cost and most importantly it has a standard ATX connector.

Since AMD will not now certify any board which lists the true speed of XPs in the BIOS, the value of validation is suddenly reduced.

There seams to be some confusion about the use of new Ahtlon (MP,XP and Durons) on 760MP boards. I have seen tests which all three worked and other which could not. I suppose it is down to the BIOS version!

GrahamM
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Interesting stuff.. my main reason for asking the original question is that I'm planning to upgrade my PC from Pentium ii 400 to AMD Athlon??? + new mobo.
When I bought my Pentium I waited until the P3 was released and the price of P2's dropped (the chips were pretty much the same so I thought this was good value).
So I'm wondering if the new AMD XP is a similar scenario? Will the price of an "old" Athlon 1.4 be (say) £70 in 8 weeks time.. if so will this be better value for general editing than a state of the art XP?
AMD's benchmarks only compare their new chip with Pentium 4's (which I've heard are over-rated) rather than AMD's old Athlons. Any thoughts???

dave evans
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Can you shed some light on the Tyan Tiger not being recomended for a Dual MP setup for video editing, thanks Dave.

evsy

PD
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Matthew and Dave,

My recommendation relates to more than an anomaly that may occur when the mainboard is fully loaded; I understand that there may be an electrical associated issue that would require a component level revision.

I’m not presently in a position to elucidate further and you either trust what I have to say or you do not.

In any event I genuinely hope this helps.

Graham,

The list of benchmarks undertaken by AMD comparing the 1.4GHz AMD Athlon and the 1.7GHz Intel Pentium 4 are here: [url=http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_756_759^1972,00.html]http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_756_759^1972,00.html[/url]

The list of benchmarks undertaken by AMD comparing the (1.53GHz) AMD Athlon XP 1800+ and the 1.8GHz Intel Pentium 4 are here: [url=http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_756_3734^3750,00.html]http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_756_3734^3750,00.html[/url]

If it helps, at this snapshot in time I’d be buying either 1.0 or 1.1GHz AMD Duron or any flavour of AMD Athlon XP you can afford.

Cheers guys,

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GrahamM
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Thanks for this Paul.. but I'm intrigued why your dream shopping list would not contain an "old" Athlon 1.4? Are you simply saying Durons are great value at the moment, or are you suggesting that the Athlon 1.4 (the price of which must now plunge after the release of the XP range) is in some way not ideally suited to editing?
I've got a Pinnacle DV300 card, on a Pentium ii 400 PC and plan to upgrade to Athlon 1.4 in a few weeks when prices tumble further. Is my plan flawed????

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I built a new system with an Athlon XP1600+ (1.4GHz clock speed) a week ago and so far it's proving very stable. I was attracted by the lower power consumption / heat as well as much as the increased power.

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Pd, I would trust you, but my tiger is on it's way...don't know whether to smile or cry now after reading your post...but concerning the statement- "I understand that there may be an electrical associated issue that would require a component level revision."..I am not asking you to give any further info, but could you explain what you mean by component leve revision? does that mean as in recall of motherboard type thing..i.e.. hardware repair...or is it a bios fix type thing? And one thing I will ask, if you can answer, is you posted that on oct 16..have you heard anything further on it, i.e. maybe whatever it was was fixed and my board will be ok now? And if not, any idea when something will be known...I ask because I also purchased two 1800+ mp processors and don't want to put them on the board if there is a chance it may need to be fixed or replaced...because will have to buy new heatsink when I take them off and put them back on..thanks...t

twolf
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Pd, I would trust you, but my tiger is on it's way...don't know whether to smile or cry now after reading your post...but concerning the statement- "I understand that there may be an electrical associated issue that would require a component level revision."..I am not asking you to give any further info, but could you explain what you mean by component leve revision? does that mean as in recall of motherboard type thing..i.e.. hardware repair...or is it a bios fix type thing? And one thing I will ask, if you can answer, is you posted that on oct 16..have you heard anything further on it, i.e. maybe whatever it was was fixed and my board will be ok now? And if not, any idea when something will be known...I ask because I also purchased two 1800+ mp processors and don't want to put them on the board if there is a chance it may need to be fixed or replaced...because will have to buy new heatsink when I take them off and put them back on...or if i need to return the mb and get something else for the processors..thanks...t

twolf
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never mind PD, thanks ...but i think i found the issue....
http://www.amdmb.com/vb/showthread.php?s=d72de763655e363208adc34fa157cb6d&threadid=69637