BBC HD shocker!

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Arthur.S
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Settled down late yesterday evening with a 'couple' :) of beers to watch the Rugby - all recorded with SKY HD+ box. England game on Sky Sports HD first - great game and great picture quality using HD projector to a 9' screen. Switched over to the recording of the Wales game shown on BBC HD. Thought the beer had got to me!! Shocking picture quality - especially for some reason the mid distance shots, which often seemed out of focus. So bad at times it hurt my eyes. Looked like an SD picture blown up to HD size without any upscaling trickery. Truly awful. :( How on earth did something as bad as this get broadcast by the BBC as 'HD'??

Paul R.
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The Wales game wasn't on BBC HD. It was on BBC One, which means it would have been simulcast on BBC One HD. The little I saw of it (not being a rugby fan), it looked like SD upscaled. I'm not aware of any attempt to describe it as "HD" in the listings.

I'm sure the professionals will be along at some point to comment on the upscaled PQ.

Paul.

Arthur.S
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Recorded on BBC HD Paul, with the HD logo in the corner of the screen. If that's not being put forward as HD, then I don't know what is. What you would expect if a programme is broadcast on HD and SD channels is for the SD to be downscaled, not the other way round! Otherwise, what's the point of an HD channel?

Paul Jordan
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The Wales game was shown on BBC1 HD channel, not BBC HD.

This was an SD programme upscaled which is a common occurence on BBC1 HD, nothing to be alarmed about!

Arthur.S
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Paul Jordan wrote:
The Wales game was shown on BBC1 HD channel, not BBC HD.

Jeeeeez....picky picky! :)

Paul Jordan wrote:
This was an SD programme upscaled which is a common occurence on BBC1 HD, nothing to be alarmed about!

I can understand filling an HD channel with some upscaled content as long as: 1. It's done well. 2. There's a point to it. It sure wasn't done well, and with the game being shown on BBC1 in SD anyway, there wasn't any point in showing it simultaneously on an HD channel either. Bad or lazy upscaling? Bad or lazy programming? Take your pick.

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Arthur.S wrote:
Jeeeeez....picky picky! :)

I can understand filling an HD channel with some upscaled content as long as: 1. It's done well. 2. There's a point to it. It sure wasn't done well, and with the game being shown on BBC1 in SD anyway, there wasn't any point in showing it simultaneously on an HD channel either. Bad or lazy upscaling? Bad or lazy programming? Take your pick.

Already explained here on dvdoctor , and by BBC themselves.

short version :
BBC HD = HD ONLY
BBC1 HD = HD and SD UPSCALED , but no change in logo if only SD UPSCALED.

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Arthur.S
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Doesn't alter the fact Gary, that the upscaling was shockingly bad, and the programming was shockingly lazy.

Bob Aldis
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I am just glad that BBC1 HD is showing exactly the same as BBC1 otherwise it would be another extra channel to sift through for content.

Bob Aldis

Paul Jordan
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Bob Aldis wrote:
I am just glad that BBC1 HD is showing exactly the same as BBC1 otherwise it would be another extra channel to sift through for content.

I agree entirely.

By 2012 all programming on BBC1 HD with be in HD and no upscaling, will have to put up with some bad or lazy upscaling until then.

jgould
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Anyone having problems with subtitles on BBC1 HD through freeview ?

Bob Aldis
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jgould wrote:
Anyone having problems with subtitles on BBC1 HD through freeview ?

Yes.

I am hoping that it will settle down but at the moment the subtitling on HD is very erratic. I get mine through Virgin, but I am assuming they just pass on Freeview.

BBC usually have subtitles but sometimes they do not and often they are so far out of sync to be useless. ITV and Channel 4 do not seem to have subtitles at all and channel 5 seems to have subtitles but BBC comments apply.

The iplayer through catchup on virgin do not have subtitles but played through the PC it does have really good subtitles ie neat and not filling half the screen although again quite often not there, out of sync and on one occassion subtitles for the wrong episode :eek:

Bob Aldis

Arthur.S
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Just to update; I'll be recording the rugby on 'ol BBC2 this week - I'll bet it's better quality than the s***e that was broadcast on their 'HD' channel last week. :rolleyes: