Bob c

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steves
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Calm down! Everybody's busy, getting stressed out,just relax and let your keyboard flow.Now for some serious comments,have you thought of offering a simple buyer guide say beginners(novice),confident(intermediate) to Expert(people with lots of money),Instead of the one presently printed. Thus saving constantly repeating pages of same monthly info,into a same page of info that only changes when something new that you would feel be a better system.
Thus saving pages! Also it would be nice to have a page or so to the novices as I have noticed this to leaning towards the more capable of editors.Its nice to see development into a more capable system but don't forget the new buyers who will feel left behind and may not bother!
cheers for a otherwise good mag
steves
ps A free cd/vcdsample occasionally would be nice?

Ned Cordery
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In the June issue of the magazine there are 59 pages of editorial material of which 13 are reprinted each month, buyers guide (very minor changes), contacts list and glossary. In other words 22% of the magazine requires virtually no editorial input. At a cover price of £3.65 this makes this an expensive mass of virtually useless material.

Ned Cordery
Goslands Studio

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Originally posted by Ned Cordery:
[B]13 are reprinted each month, buyers guide (very minor changes), contacts list and glossary.

I agree with this. I treat these pages like junk mail, I don't even look at them anymore.
I know that you have to put them there for the sake of people that buy the magazine for the first time, but at least bring them up to date on a monthly basis so they are not so boaring for your regular readers.

I have mentioned this before, sometimes it appears that the magazine is just lazely churned out without much thought for content whatsoever.

Alan Roberts at work
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I seem to recall Bob saying that he'd contracted out the running of these pages, so maybe he has little or no say over the contents.

SIFI
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I dispute the fact that these pages are even any use to first time buyers.

For example can anybody make a decision on buying a PC from the info given here. For instance the DVC Storm review says only the processors the RAM and the Hard disk drive. Furthermore it is wrong it says it has a 20gb drive (that's just the system drive) and this months issue insists it comes with preiere 5.1.

There is far too little info for people to make any buying decisions so I tend to agree with the previous comments that it is pretty much a waste of space.

SIFI

Simon

bcrabtree
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Morse,

It's thoughtless, ignorant and stupid remarks like this that make me wonder why I bother working seven days a week, and usually seven nights a week.

I am NOT attempting to defend the indefensible - I know that the buyers guide pages are not up to snuff - but the truth is, that with the limited resources available, stuff like this can and does often end up being ignored at our end; and that is ABSOLUTELY the right decision for me to take under the circumstances.

Sadly, you don't understand the economics of what we're doing (neither did Future, of course, or they'd never have bothered launching DVWorld).

What's the solution? For me and the others who work for the mag to be less LAZY?

Please get real!

Oh, and Ned, there were 66 editorial pages in the June issue.

Of course, you probably don't count the cover (there's no work involved there, of course), or the contents pages (ditto), or the competition (ditto). I'm not sure what else you choose to ignore.

Clearly, if anyone thinks the mag is bad value they'll not be buying it - and that's exactly how it should be.

But value compared to what?

15 cigarettes?

1 1/2 pints of beer?

A small jug of petrol?

DV World; Digit; Computer Arts?

The cost of buying the wrong video card?

Or the wrong editing system?

Or the wrong editing program?

Or the wrong camcorder?

Or, perhaps, the cost of wasting huge amounts of time and effort sorting out techincal problems?

Good night!

Bob C

quote:Originally posted by Morse:

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Originally posted by Ned Cordery:
[B]13 are reprinted each month, buyers guide (very minor changes), contacts list and glossary.

I agree with this. I treat these pages like junk mail, I don't even look at them anymore.
I know that you have to put them there for the sake of people that buy the magazine for the first time, but at least bring them up to date on a monthly basis so they are not so boaring for your regular readers.

I have mentioned this before, sometimes it appears that the magazine is just lazely churned out without much thought for content whatsoever.

Peter Golden
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Morse,

That was unforgiveable. Now that Mr Wells has gone, Bob is practically doing the whole thing on his own. How do you expect him stop beating his wife when he's under such pressure?

You have stopped beating her, haven't you Bob?

Pierluigi
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quote:Originally posted by Morse:

Quote:
Originally posted by Ned Cordery:
[B]13 are reprinted each month, buyers guide (very minor changes), contacts list and glossary.

I agree with this. I treat these pages like junk mail, I don't even look at them anymore.
I know that you have to put them there for the sake of people that buy the magazine for the first time, but at least bring them up to date on a monthly basis so they are not so boaring for your regular readers.

I have mentioned this before, sometimes it appears that the magazine is just lazely churned out without much thought for content whatsoever.

Morse,

I have seen some uninformed, idiotic and without forethought comments on this forum in my time as a member, but I must say, yours takes the Grand Prize.

Congratulations.

Looking forward to the next one.

Regards

Lui

[This message has been edited by Pierluigi (edited 12 June 2001).]

steves
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Hang on I only Made a comment on how the mag could look better!
Then people seemed to jump on this post for a slag you off ?
Bob c again keep calm and carry on producing a fine mag and maybe a young blonde may come to work with you to replace wells,and then you may have to make it bi-monthly.

RVS
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Whats this young blondes sexual preferences got to do with anything.Is Bi-Monthly a new mag coming out and will Cathy Barry be in it, where can I buy it?????

Benfrain
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I remember emailing Bob C months (probably years now) ago telling him he should have a buyers guide in CV, eventually it came and I'm glad it did, I still think it's a great thing to have every month. It's not supposed to be the Holy Grail for Gods sake!

Its useful as many times I read a review and it mentions another product and I think "Oh, I wonder if that's any good" - quick flick to the buyers guide and it got 50%, so I don't waste any more time on it. If it got 90% I find out some more.

LONG LIVE THE BUYERS GUIDE!!!

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Dave Currie
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Fact: Parts of the The Buyers' Guide are often out-of-date.

Fact: Bob works his b**** off - with limited resources - to produce an excellent magazine.

*******
The solution could well be to create the UK's first virtual digital video magazine.

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The 'missing-link' to making such an option viable (from the subscriber's perspective)has been provided by the latest generation of mobile phones - which will enable consumers to have direct access to their favourite websites, whilst on the move - or the loo!

IF 2000 subscribers agreed to pay Bob £30 per annum I believe he could deliver such a product...

** The Buyers' Guide could be updated on a daily basis.

** Members could use the Message Board to vote for which products they would like to be reviewed!

** Advertisers could use video streamed adverts

** Some ad revenue could be used to fund a portion of the site to showcase members' work.

So, how about it Bob? Fancy a leap of faith into the unknown? And, are there 2,000 potential subscribers out there willing to pay Bob £30 a year?

Dave C

fredferrit
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It seems like the job is getting to you Bob. Don't let the B******s get you down.
I'm new to CV and its proved very helpful.

How about cycling through sections of the buyer's guide over 3 or 4 months to reduce the number of pages used for it each month? I would also give you more chance to keep it up-to-date. You could put the whole thing on the web site.

fh

REYN
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Joined: May 25 2001

I look forward to CV each month. Please keep up the excellent work.

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cassian
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I am a novice to video editing and find Computer Video magazine to be helpful. In my book a wider range of info converts to a wider range of knowledge, and thus the making of educated decisions when it comes to buying products etc. Whether or not the magazine has many repeated pages on a monthly basis is immaterial to me. Simply put, I like the magazine, find it value for money, and therefore I buy it. Guess what I would do if I didn't

Alan Roberts at work
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While the diea of putting the buyers' guide on the website looks good, it misses one significant point. That section is of most use to novices, those who have got a camcorder and are now wondering what to do with the footage. They probably don't know that computers are the answer, so they dig about in the newsagent looking through the mags. Find CV, and bingo, Bob's got another customer. If they hadn't though of using a computer up 'til then, they wouldn't have done a web search for fora such as these.

No, I still think that print's the best place for the brief overview that the magazine gives. Please leave it there, but it would be nice to be a little more up-to-date.

All that said, though, once into the editing business, the whole section is of less importance to the user. But it serves as a good introduction for the novice.

My 2 pen'orth.

win-win
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Regarding the topic of Bob C.(and CV's value):
1. Critics should read most of the stuff in video magazines here in the USA - then you'll really love Bob C's work (and value CV);
2. Would anyone like to volunteer to critique, "mark-over" or update a copy of the Glossary or buyers guide (and send to CV) to help short-cut the upgrade task for Bob C. (CV), and
3. Thank goodness (for EU) for Bob C's driving energy for helping win the DV-in battle for nEUtered equipment.

Keep on truckin' Bob.

col
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Joined: Jun 12 1999

If anyone thinks that reviewing a productis easy then read on.

To research what you are going to test and write a review on 3 hours at least!

To provide a clean hard disk to run the test 1 hour

To install the card and software 1 hour

To thoroughly test out the hardware, 6 hours (assuming no problems). If you have problems then 40 hours just goes

To take images for inclusion in the mag and to edit them in P/shop 2 hours

To rough out the review text 6 hours

To refine the review 4 to 8 hours

To discuss the review with Bob 1 to 2 hours

To refine the review 2 hours

Then Bob has to edit the text down to fit the available space

Tot all that up and you will see that for each 2000 word review takes a vast resource, all this on top of your regular day job. At least it is for those of us who have reviewed and written for Bob and CV.

Please give him and the mag a break, it has to be the best specialist mag out there!

col

Michael H S
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I'm definitely NOT in the Morse camp on this one.

I started with NLE when we moved to France and I discovered CV when I first started thinking about what system to buy, knowing sod all about computers even, never mind NLE systems.

Since then CV and its resources have saved me a fortune in money and untold amounts of time and grief (French retailers not generally being much use IME )and the clincher for buying my first copy was the buyers guide.

OK it's not perfect but it got me going in the right direction at the time.

As for Dave Currie's idea I'd be up for it and 30 quid seems reasonable.

Keep it up Bob, there's nothing else like CV.