DO YOU WANT NEW READERS BOB?

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Dave Currie
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Bob,

It's OK you shaking your head. But, my question about basic specs for an NLE should have told you that I don't know what goes on under the bonnet of a computer.

I posted a note on the main site (a few days ago)and received a plethora of responses from suppliers.

Some helpful member suggested there should be a special site for people wanting basic NLE systems advice...and I - albeit mistakenly -thought that YOU had responded to such a sensible request!

Bob, a little humility towards a reader's "transgression" wouldn't go amiss!

You're a computer specialist and editor of a computer video magazine. I'm an old codger...a retired journalist, and BBC trained cameraman...who knows "bugger all" about fluffer valves, widgets and other Sillicon Valley gizmos within a NLE system.

Do ALL readers have to become computer experts? Or, can some of us trade our alternative skills...for some helpful technical advice - via the message board?!

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ANALOGY
The reality is I'm the sort of motorist who enjoys driving...not spending all his time at the local garage - discussing the finer points of mult-valve engines. I know to check the oil and water and when to have it serviced...do I really need to know more!?

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Anway,I - for one - buy your magazine in a vain attempt to see beyond the red mist. I rely on your team and expert readers for guidance. And - to give them credit - they've already convinced me to go the Canopus Storm route, instead of shelling out more for an Avid system - just because I'd seen it in use at the Beeb.

So, now I'm about to spend my EVR money on a NLE system. I'M WORRIED ABOUT BUYING THE WRONG KIT BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND ALL THE TECHNICAL STUFF. SO COME ON BOB TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK OF THE SPECS ON THE WEB SITE...OR EVEN BETTER STICK YOUR NECK OUT BY PUBLISHING YOUR OWN SPECS.

AT LEAST WITH YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND OVERVIEW OF THE MARKETPLACE IT WILL BE VERY OBJECTIVE!

APOLOGIES FOR THE LITERALS - BUT BILE LEVELS ARE HIGH!

We do love you Bob, but you can be so tetchy first thing - and so can I!

Disappointed Dave

ps Thanks to the guy who followed you. Now there was some constructive advice!

pcwells
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Having been cc'd in on some emails he sent to Hendrik, I can tell you that Bob is extremely cruel and nasty.

He's also mean and tough and ruthless.

Not to mention rough and toothless.

But he does mean well.

Bless him!

Pete

pcwells
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quote:Originally posted by pcwells:
But he does mean well.

Sorry, that should read: But he does mean things well

Pete

bcrabtree
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Apologies for Peter's confusing the issue.

What he means is, "He does mean things, and does them well."

Bob C

quote:Originally posted by pcwells:
Sorry, that should read: But he does mean things well

Pete

Dave Currie
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No...you were right Pete...

He does 'MEAN' well

dacquinh
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quote:Originally posted by pcwells:
Having been cc'd in on some emails he sent to Hendrik, I can tell you that Bob is extremely cruel and nasty.

Are you saying that this cruelty he exposes in some of his emails is not a general character trait of Bob C?

Now this is a major dissapointment

Hendrik

Dave Currie
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According to my dictionary a moderator is a material used to slow down neutrons in nuclear reactors.

Does this mean your role is to stop Bob's atomic piles exploding when someone (like me)over-excites his free radicals by inserting "foreign matter" into the wrong chamber?!

Cher Nobyl

dacquinh
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quote:Originally posted by Dave Currie:
According to my dictionary a moderator is a material used to slow down neutrons in nuclear reactors.

Does this mean your role is to stop Bob's atomic piles exploding when someone (like me)over-excites his free radicals by inserting "foreign matter" into the wrong chamber?!

Cher Nobyl

The recent posts regarding censorship and academic freedom have
rekindled my thoughts concerning the role of the moderator in
computer video discussion group (CVDG) such as DV Doctor.

A CVDG can be characterized as a community of persons with a similar
**computer** interest (e.g., OHCI firewire cards; Interpersonal
Computing; Reference Librarianship). Additionally, CVDGs here
refer to a computer conference used for what Harnad (1990)
describes as the interactions at the pilot stage of inquiry (e.g.,
brainstorming, participation in research symposia, circulation of
preprints for peer criticism before formal submission to a film committee),
and simply for discussion of relevant issues and the finding of
"kindred spirits"--(e.g., persons who often choose to correspond
through email offline from the CVDG, yet who found out of their common
interest(s) through the contributions of an CVDG).

There are many CVDGs that are moderated, including DV Doctor.
Within those CVDGs, the moderators may take on various roles including:

- FACILATATOR (keeps list "on track"; group leader)
- MANAGER (administrator, archiving, deleting/adding subscribers)
- FILTER (deciding upon on-topic posts; increasing signal/noise
ratio; deletes libelous posts; may delete jokes)
- EXPERT (answering Frequently Asked Questions; expert in the
list's field, for example a manufacturer's representative)
- EDITOR (text editor, digest posts, format posts)
- PROMOTER (asks questions of the list subscribers to promote
discussion)
- MARKETER (promotes/explains list to potential subscribers)
- HELPER (helps people with needs -- more general than expert)
- FIREMAN (takes "flames" or ad hominem attacks offline)

It's obvious that my function at this CVDG is a mixture of all, making me the prime moderator.

It is hard to imagine a moderated CVDG in which the moderator does
not do some "filtering." Listowners make explicit, to varying
degrees, the topics that are and are not the focus of a particular CVDG.
Regardless of that level of explicitness, eventually there is judgment used
by the moderator in determining what is "on-topic" and what is not. At
times, some subscribers object ot having "off-topic postings" rejected
by the moderator. As Kovacs (1991) stated, the claim of "censoring"
is leveled by these subscribers at what the moderator is doing.

I think it would be useful to define the terms editing, censoring,
and moderating and the relationship among those concepts with regard
to CVDGs. This is not directed as an attempt to change Dv Doctor policy, but
rather to more narrowly define what **users** of CVDGs believe, in general,
the role of a moderator should be, and how that function(s) might be
operationalized.

Collegial regards

Hendrik Dacquin

PD
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Joined: Aug 6 1999

Thanks for all contributions and Dave your general point is noted.

One way or another we’re all here to help each other so let’s stay with spirit of that.

This topic has now become seriously, er, off-topic, so I'm locking it.

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Paul

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