DV mode with HDV

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Relievo
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I had a JVC rep. come round yesterday, he put the HD101 camera together, wow that thing is big, its the first time I've seen a real one (geek).

I didnt have the capacity to watch back HDV, so I shot in DV. When I looked at the DV footage I didn't know what to expect, I always thought the DV footage would be much better than that of a PD150, for example. But I didn't think there was any difference. In fact I think the PD150 DV footage is better quality.

Granted, I didnt have much time at all to use the camera fully, but I was wondering what you guys might say?

The DV didn't even look broadcast quality to me, maybe I've been looking at the HDV samples too long...

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From the little time i played with hdv i would suggest the following, based on the sony hdv cameras.

Shoot in hdv mode , no matter what you are going to use it for , and then downconvert to dv if that is what you want to watch/edit.

Alan Roberts or Tom Hardwick have more user knowledge than I

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Relievo wrote:
In fact I think the PD150 DV footage is better quality.

In many respects, on a straightforward scene (decent light level, average lens angle etc) the most limiting aspect will be the system resolution - hence the whole impetus to move to HD at all. In (at least) one respect I'd expect any HDVcamera to be far superior to the PD150 quality wise, and that is they are all true 16:9. Even for mainstream terrestial broadcasters in the UK that is a huge incentive to buy such, even if they expect to be using them in DV mode for the immediate future for reasons of commonality of editing.

Another big plus to the HD100 over such as a PD150 IMO is that it uses "proper" lenses. Focus and iris controlled by direct linkage rather than servo. Can smooth iris adjustments rather than jumps be classed as "better quality"? This is a lot of the reason why the HD100 has earned so much interest - it's a pro camera scaled down to be smaller, lighter, cheaper, rather than a consumer camera scaled up (like the Z1).

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I rarely disagree with Gary, but I have to, this time. If you want to use the JVC to produce a final SD output, then shoot in SD, you'll get true 50Hz interlaced. If you shoot HDV and downconvert, you'll always get film-motion.

The basic look of the pictures is hugely influenced by the way you set up the camera, it's easy to make a good cakmera produce bad pictures, and not that hard to make a mediocre camerea produced good pictures. I've yet to have enough experience with a JVC to publish settings for it.

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I had a JVC rep bring one round on thursday, and oh my gosh I had the hugest grin all day. I was so impressed with it, how come you didn't get to see it in HDV mode, my rep came with a HD monitor and i got to test HD and SD modes, both of which were amasing. Working on a deal at the minute, I cant wait to get them. I just wish i could get one under my tree, and claim santa put it there. I've been using the PD150 for ages and in my opinion thought that the results were better from the HD101. About 4p worth this time...sorry i'll try to spend a full 10p one day.

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I have a hd101 mainly for SD stuff and i think the sd quality far surpasses that of the PD150

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Relievo
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You guys are right (as always)...

surferboy wrote:
I had a JVC rep bring one round on thursday, and oh my gosh I had the hugest grin all day. I was so impressed with it, how come you didn't get to see it in HDV mode, my rep came with a HD monitor and i got to test HD and SD modes, both of which were amasing. Working on a deal at the minute, I cant wait to get them.

Let me know how much you get your deal for, coz I think I'm still in the market :o Im sure you can get an HD101 for about £3500 if you hunt about.

The rep. didnt come with an HD screen either, I had to preview the SD footage after he left, I used my dads bog-standard camcorder to view it through the TV, blaagh!

I did some filming in DV25p, and it stuttered like a mo-fo, would I be better shooting in 50i ( think that's what I saw?), if I want to do a dvd in SD?

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