Edius 6 full screen preview

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Mick Mearman
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Is there a good way to adjust the HDMI output from the graphics card to be sure it's correct (test card?) in full screen preview? I've tried test card F & known video to try to do it by eye because I'm sure the default is wrong (because it doesn't match the HDMI from the camera) I'm dealing with some difficult footage from a stage play with less than ideal lighting where the camera was over exposed to show the faces but it's overdone and I need to calm it down, turning down the brightness and contrast seems to lift the saturation which I can turn down but need to be sure I'm right.
I haven't got HD Spark, perhaps I should?
Mick

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Alan Roberts
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I think your last line is the most important. I've got an HD Spark and its the right way to do it, because you get to see everything the right shape, full speed, and without rendering. I use a LG M227WDP on the Spark and am quite happy with it.

Get my test cards document, and cards for 625, 525, 720 and 1080. Thanks to Gavin Gration for hosting them.
Camera settings documents are held by Daniel Browning and at the EBU
My book, 'Circles of Confusion' is available here.
Also EBU Tech.3335 tells how to test cameras, and R.118 tells how to use the results.

Barry Hunter
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I second the use of that monitor coupled with the HD Spark!

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Mick Mearman
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I connected the EX1R to another HDMI and compared the original footage with what I'm getting from Edius which told me why I'm having problems, from Edius a mans white shirt is burnt out but from the EX1R it's correctly exposed so no wonder I'm in a mess!
Does that mean that I have a graphics card problem? because no amount of adjusting of colour and brightness on the Catalyst control centre HDMI will correct it, or if I get a HD Spark will that put it right? the other confusing part is the PC monitor also shows burnt out footage?
Mick

3.00 gigahertz Intel Pentium III, 3.5GB RAM, ATI Radeon HD 4350, Avid Liquid, Edius 6.03, Sony EX1R & EX1, Panasonic SD700

Gavin Gration
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Mick - short answer is yes. Calibration might help but I doubt it. Longer answer is buy a proper HDMI video output card. We run Premiere with various Matrox/Decklink cards for monitoring. For many years a lot of people claim to get away with either no video monitor at all or just hook a second screen up to their graphics card. Good luck to them - if it were that simple the Spark/Decklink/MXO2 cards wouldn't exist.

Mick Mearman
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I don't expect the preview to be full quality but is it supposed to look deinterlaced (jerky)?
Mick

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Alan Roberts
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It depends on your display.

If you use a computer display (as you are) then you have to accept what it does. Most computer displays will not run at SDTV speeds, so they'll do a (very poor) up-conversion of the video for display. I've seen displays which won't run slower than 60p, so they always do the nastiest frame rate conversion, and often a dreadful line-rate conversion as well. That's why it pays to use a video monitor for monitoring video. Since you're already in Edius, it make sense to upgrade to a HD Spark and a proper video display, because all the conversions necessary are done in the Spark (and it does them pretty well), and it only does line-conversion. So your output is a conventional video signal which you could record. Not only that, but the Spark does pretty well all the work of rendering in real time, so you don't have to wait to see effects happening. Mine will run 4 AVCHD video streams simultaneously, with effects on them all, just like a proper editor.

Get my test cards document, and cards for 625, 525, 720 and 1080. Thanks to Gavin Gration for hosting them.
Camera settings documents are held by Daniel Browning and at the EBU
My book, 'Circles of Confusion' is available here.
Also EBU Tech.3335 tells how to test cameras, and R.118 tells how to use the results.

Mick Mearman
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Alan, I,ve ordered a HD Spark, I also have a LG monitor, would you mind giving me the settings you use on your LG to give what you consider to give a 1 to 1 picture?
I've turned all the autos to off but am unsure about brightness, contrast & colour.
Mick

3.00 gigahertz Intel Pentium III, 3.5GB RAM, ATI Radeon HD 4350, Avid Liquid, Edius 6.03, Sony EX1R & EX1, Panasonic SD700

Alan Roberts
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Load up a test picture into Edius and view it. SMPTE bars will tell you about brightness and contrast, detail's a bit harder unless you've got an uncompressed zone plate. However, mine is set to:

Picture mode:
Standard
Backlight 70
Contrast 90
Brightness 50
Sharpness 60
Coloour 60

But yours could easily need different values, depending on viewing conditions.

Get my test cards document, and cards for 625, 525, 720 and 1080. Thanks to Gavin Gration for hosting them.
Camera settings documents are held by Daniel Browning and at the EBU
My book, 'Circles of Confusion' is available here.
Also EBU Tech.3335 tells how to test cameras, and R.118 tells how to use the results.

Mick Mearman
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Thanks Alan, that's great got it all set up now.
Mick

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col lamb
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For those who do not know in Edius 6 pressing the ' key switches a single display into full screen preview mode.

Not as good as a Spark card + monitor but way cheaper.

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Alan Roberts
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Yep, that's one that David Clarke found.

Get my test cards document, and cards for 625, 525, 720 and 1080. Thanks to Gavin Gration for hosting them.
Camera settings documents are held by Daniel Browning and at the EBU
My book, 'Circles of Confusion' is available here.
Also EBU Tech.3335 tells how to test cameras, and R.118 tells how to use the results.

RayL
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Isn't it a shame, though, that it had to be 'found'? Since getting Edius 6 I have been very disappointed with the Manual which is only available through the Help menu (unless you fancy printing out over a thousand pages). The Index in particular is very poor, with many important features not listed at all.

The manual also lacks a 'worked example' (list of settings to check before an edit, followed by a list of Edius's own way of doing things during an edit (and before anyone says anything, no, a multi-hour demonstration on DVD is not the same thing at all).

Ray