Have I got it all wrong about miniDisc ?

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rongrover
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Recently I have got involved with making up stories for my Grand Children. By using Sound Recorder I have been able to than produce a CD.

I have also used a Digital Voice Recorder than by putting it into Sound Recorder, produced a CD.

However, after reading about miniDisc Recorders, especially on these forums, I decided to get one as I thought it would produce better quality and allow me to input to a mixer to add a sound track and than into PC and than produce a CD.

But, after reading some articles on the miniDisc org site, it seems that you cannot use a miniDisc Recorder to connect to a PC and transfer the files so a CD can be produced.

Is this correct?? A minDisc is not want I want to end up with, I want what is on a miniDisc put on to CD. What I have purchased is a Sharp MD-MT888.

Can someone please put me straight on this.
I will still make use of it if I cannot use it as I wanted, but it would be very disapointing

All the best, Ron.

DAVE M
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You can connect a minidisc to PC in and out via analogue.

A NET-MD will connect in only to a pc so you can copy possible copyright stuff straight from your PC (at high speeed) to the MD.

In their wisdom, Sony don't allow your own voice recordings to be transfered digitally to the PC via the NET function

Waste of bloody time. Who'd want to copy copyright stuff that way around??

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Just to let you know that I recently purchased a Sony MD and came across the same problem with speech not being able to copy to pc through usb.

I spoke with Sony directly about this and they did inform me that a new MD coming out in June this year will able you to download all types of audio including speech recorded by the microphone by usb.

I suppose the big question will be how much will this MD cost?

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Thnak's for the replies. These are some of the reasons I did not go for Sony.

This is a link to what I was reading about the problems.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://infos.0db.net/md/sharp888/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsharp%2Bmd-mt888%2Breview%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26sa% 3DG

All the best, Ron.

Billwill
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Hi Ron- stay nice & calm man.

I have a sharp MD-MT88 and I record my voice onto it, then using a pc recording app get the sound straight into my pc no problems.

I have not got a single piece of sony gear in my house, which has some choice electronics.

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rongrover
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Thank's Billwill. I now feel nice and calm.
As a point of interest, what do you connect to the PC with? ie supplied cables or via a USB Converter?

All the best, Ron.

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I have used three Sony minidiscs for over two years. I regularly record voice and instrument directly on to them before hooking up to a PC, editing as necessary and then burning to CD. Am I not doing it properly?

DAVE M
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What I'm talking about is digital copying straight to the PC. Not via analogue in.

we wanted to do this for speed as much as quality, but were forced to use analogue

Spintry
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Ah thanks, is there in fact that much difference in quality once the compression algorithm has done it's bit?

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Originally posted by rongrover:
what do you connect to the PC with? ie supplied cables or via a USB Converter?

I use either creative labs sound recorder app and connect the minidisc's headphones output into the pc's line-in. I can vary the recording level by adjusting either the line-in level via the sound icon on windows bottom right corner icon or the MD's volume out.

I also can use sound forge or musicmatch, and point the recording device as line-in, and use the line-in level or the MD sound output to get the sound level right.

The most often way I've recorded from my minidisc is to connect the headphones out to the pc's capture card (Pro-One, DV500 or Canopus Storm) analogue break-out box (which you may not have)and record from inside Adobe Premiere movie capture branch- excluding the video signal.

A few choices there. Is that any help?

Billy

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rongrover
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Thank's Billy, yes it is a great help. I don't use a capture card as I just use firewire with Premier 6.5.

I do have a Creative Extigy (external unit)that has just about every type of connection needed, so may use that, although I have not as yet used it with my specific Video PC as it always seems that anything by creative just wants to take over everything.But that may just me! Maybe I should consider using it.

All the best, Ron.

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install minimum drivers for all creative units stops them 'taking over'

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Chris A
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Have a look at this device...
http://www.xitel.com/product_mdpio.htm

rongrover
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Thanks Chris. I have a similar thing as seen here.
http://www.beststuff.co.uk/usb_sound_box.htm

But as far as I can see it only works one way, ie from PC to minidisc.

I can see that the gadget you have shown states that it goes both ways, ie PC to minidisc and minidisc to PC. However, my Sharp MT888 does not have an optical out, only in. The only way I can get into the PC is via the earphone out and going into PC via line in.

The reason I headed up this thread about "Have I got it all wrong" is because I am not at all interested in getting stuff out of my PC to record to minidisc. I want to record on minidisc by mic and than transfer it to my PC. I have done this by using the earphone output to line in on PC, BUT, it would have been nice to have had the option of better quality via optics out.

So, have I got it all wrong? it seems I have, because I cannot even use the gadget you have shown, as my Sharp minidisc does not have an Optic out facility.

Thanks again, Ron.

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I have not read all the posts but here is how I did it with a Sony MD before I got a Senn Radio Mic:-

I used the Mic O/P (MD) to Line In (PC) connections and not Line Out (MD) to Line In (PC) as I do not have a Line OUT on the MD, only Line IN. Using Recorder I increased the 60sec standard recording time after following the Microsoft Bulletin http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;82215

ps - I still use the MD as a backup but never needed it so far

Alan

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Alan, thanks for your input on this. Your artical link for recorder was of interest, but I have had no problems getting it to record past 60sec.

You say that you use Mic O/P (I assume that means Output, on the MD, but how do you get an output from that? Do you mean headphone output?

Have just had a look at the article for extending the length of recording longer than the default 60sec. There is no need to go through the process that is mentioned, it is much more staright forward.

When recording you can click stop anytime within a 60sec period and than click record again, you can do this as many times as you like and so record as long as you like. The stop/record can be done in a split second and best performed at the time of a slight pulse in the recording.

I know that this ties up your hands while recording and maybe unsuitable at times, like when playing an instrument. The article method would be ok for that. But for what I need, voice recording I find doing what I have mentioned ok.

All the best, Ron.

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Quote:
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I used the Mic O/P (MD) to Line In (PC) connections and not Line Out (MD) to Line In (PC)

Er - A Microphone socket is an INPUT only.

If the MD does not have a line-out you would need to use the Headphone socket - but be careful with the levels.

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Mic o/p commonly means power on output connector.
sony's original minidiscs had phantom power supplied to the mic port.

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Quote:
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Mic o/p commonly means power on output connector.
sony's original minidiscs had phantom power supplied to the mic port.

Not quite true - phantom power only applies to balanced microphone inputs and the MD has an unbalanced input.

The mic. input of consumer MD machines normally has "plug-in power" - this is more like T-power than phantom power and the term "phantom power" should never be used in this application.

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well it would appear i'm not the only person to use that terminology

http://www.minidisc.org/tale_of_two.html

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'First, a little background. As is available on many audio recorders, Sony includes a feature on all their MD portables called "Plug In Power," a phantom power system for consumer mics. What Sony doesn't tell you is the 2.71 volts delivered at this connector can power a pair of professional quality lavaliere condenser microphones as well.'

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well it would appear i'm not the only person to use that terminology

Maybe - but Sony use it to explain "Plug-in power" rather than calling it "phantom power".

I know some Americans use the term incorrectly.

I have received complaints from peaple saying their machine has "phantom power" but won't power a phantom powered microphone because it only has "plug-in power".

All I say is PLEASE use the terms correctly to avoid confusion.

John

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So now we all know at least what phantom power is as against plug in power, but back to my point.

I mainly got my minidisc to record on and transfer to my PC, but this function seems to be limited to having to use the output via the headphone socket. Its main use seems to be intended as a recorder from a PC where there are more options. I find this strange as in this case all you can really do is transfer files from you PC onto minidisc which could than be played back and used to listen to via headphones. Certainly not what I wanted it for. If I did want to listen to music on the move I think I would just stick to a CD player, or use mp3.

So when I read about using minidisc with PC's they are not really that much use. Or are they?
As I said, have I got it all wrong?

All the best, Ron.

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As far as I know, all these little MD recorders are designed to record to -0 not from.

They often have a digital input and/or USB link. But these are for recording ointo the MD and not going back the other way.

I understand that there may be a unit coming which goes the other way, but I'm not sure who or when.

When I got my original Sharp MD, I also got a mains MD so I can play back to the computer.

The only one I know of that goes both ways digitally and via USB is the HHB Portadisc.

John

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Quote:
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I mainly got my minidisc to record on and transfer to my PC, but this function seems to be limited to having to use the output via the headphone socket. Its main use seems to be intended as a recorder from a PC where there are more options. I find this strange as in this case all you can really do is transfer files from you PC onto minidisc which could than be played back and used to listen to via headphones. Certainly not what I wanted it for. If I did want to listen to music on the move I think I would just stick to a CD player, or use mp3.

So when I read about using minidisc with PC's they are not really that much use. Or are they?
As I said, have I got it all wrong?

All the best, Ron.

minidisc is a fantastic system for recording to , both optical and analogue.

minidisc was never intended as a digital capture system to pc , that was what dat was for.

i have a dat drive unit with both in and out optically , but i prefer my minidisc for size and portability.

if you want a minidisc unit for inputting to a pc digitally you have to be very careful which ones you buy.

i use mine to input to a pc using the line out , analogue , and find the quality as good as any other system for inputting sound to a pc.

the only other option is to find a sony internal minidisc data drive !!!
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Thanks, John and Gary. Yes you have confirmed that I got it all wrong.

However, all is not lost. For what I mainly want to do, which is for recording my voice, the output from the headphone socket to a line in on my PC is a good enough quality. I have made a couple of CD's for my grandchildren and they were more than pleased. I will soon be adding sound tracks etc.

Thanks everyone, Ron.

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I've used Minidisk for recording also, then downloading to the PC via the digital optical output via a optical to coax converter into my Creative audigy, you can keep it in the digital domain but it's fiddly, also still only copy in real time. Nothing wrong with mini-disk though, its a great format.

However recently I have used my Creative jukebox1 as it records as .WAV and connects via USB. You can pick these up very cheaply now 2nd hand.

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rongrover
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Hi GG. I have the Creative Extigy which connects to PC via USB, is that what you meant to say? ie not audigy?

You say that you connect via the digital optical output, my Sharp MT 888 does not have this feature and that has been the problem. (What minidisc do you use that has this feature?)

However, as mentioned, for what I need at present, connecting via the earphone out to line in is OK.

All the best, Ron.

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Hi Ron,

No its an Audigy, its a PCI card.

The MD is a Sony, I can't remember the model number, it has a line out socket that doubles as an optical output as well, you need a special cable.
It's not the best for live recordings because the record levels etc.. are in menus, not real controls, its a bit annoying really. I have a full size MD at home too, sometimes I use this as it has optical/coax digital outputs/inputs.

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GG
I have a Sony MD with optical line socket.
However my understanding from the manual is that it is line in socket only and not line out.

As you say setting manual volume is a pain via the menu but recording quality via a decent mic is very good.

So far I have been getting the sound out to my PC via the head set socket but would prefere line out.

Have you actually used the line out on your MD and if so which cable did you get to do it.
BrianR

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The MD is a Sony, ... it has a line out socket that doubles as an optical output as well, you need a special cable.

This is almost certainly Line IN only - consumer portable MDs normally only have the output at headpnone level.

John

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my sony mz-r3 definately has a line-out on it.
it cost over over £500

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This is almost certainly Line IN only - consumer portable MDs normally only have the output at headpnone level.

John

No John, in the nasty menu you can select headphones or line out.

It may well be an MZ-r3, it was very expensive at the time.

But not as much as the 1st MD I ever had, that was the bug plagued MZ-r1. It had every feature you could want, but completely unreliable.

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