Help! Newbee drowning! Is this right choice?

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Kooky Kipper
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I thought it would all be so simple. I bought a Sony TRV20E DV camcorder, so I didn't think there would be any problem getting the digital video into my PC as there was no A to D conversion.

I'll just buy the cheapest Firewire card as the all have the same spec, I thought.

Then I read this group, and realised it ain't that easy. I know people tend to post only when they have a problem, but this seems like a minefield!

My question:

I can't find a card that actually lists the Sony TRV20E as compatible.

I don't want to do lots of fancy transitions and stuff.

I do want to convert SVHS tapes directly through the TRV20E.

I do want to do simple assembly editing on the DV tapes and the converted SVHS files.

I like the Adaptec FireConnect 4300 Kit that comes with MGI VideoWave 4.

This seems a good buy cos: It's the cheapest OHCI firewire I can find and the software has scene detection to split up footage automatically.

Am I making the right decision? I'm nervous because not many messages here talk about this option. Is that a good sign that it all works perfectly, or a bad sign that nobody else is dumb enough to choose this option?

Does anyone have experience of TRV20E compatibility? Or using the Adaptec FireConnect 4300, or MGI VideoWave 4 - especially the scene detection?

Any advice gratefully received.

pcwells
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Hi,

You shouldn't have much of a problem with the TRV20 so far as compatibility goes.

As for choosing a DV card, you're right to look at the software bundle first - and work out what you want to do before deciding on the hardware.

I'd be inclined to steer you towards a Pyro card - availanle from LynxDV for under £80. This gives you the light version of Ulead MediaStudio Pro 6 as well as VideoStudio 4SE. VideoStudio is - in my opinion - much nicer to use than VideoWave. And the light version of Media Studio Pro gives a lot of versatility for more complex editing (including insert editing and audio splitting).

The problem with this solution - and the Adaptec card with VideoWave - is that you need to make complete AVI files for output to tape. MGI have not provided a means of outputting video directly from the storyboard/timeline of VideoWave, but Ulead has come up with some solutions for VideoStudio and MSP. Also, the forthcoming version 5 of VideoStudio promises insert editing, and a very low-cost optional plug-in for VCD and SVCD authoring.

It would help us, however, if you'd post details of your system. Direct timeline playback from Ulead's programs need a bit of welly from the processor - Ulead states at least a 500MHz PIII.

Cheers,

Pete

[This message has been edited by pcwells (edited 01 March 2001).]

Kooky Kipper
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Wow! Thanks for the amazingly fast reply.

My system is an Athlon 700MHz, 128 RAM, 20GB and 40GB HDDs.

I was swayed (foolishly) by a comparison chart on the MGI site. It said Ulead VS4 didn't allow still capture from video ! Which surprised me.

I've looked at the new VS v5 and this still capture IS now included, along with scene detection. I didn't mention before, but one of the other uses I had for the TRV20E was as a continuous stills capture camera. i.e. take short video shots of dynamic scenes and extract the best still later.

I note also that the Ulead site does NOT list the TRV20E in it's compatibility list? I bought this camera cheaply because it was on it's way out. Are Ulead just slow or might there be a problem. They're certainly slow at answering question mailed to them.

Is Media Studio 6 VE the light version? If not what is the difference between the full version and the light?

pcwells
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MediaStudio pro 6 VE is the Video Edition. It is the light version, and contains a good video editor, but lacks some of the more fancy effects and rotoscoping tools featured in the full bundle.

I'm now a bit confused as to which camcorder you're using. You say that you got the TRV20 because it was 'on its way out' while I thought this model was a relatively recent Megapixel CCD palmcorder. If it's the machine I think it is, I certainly haven't heard any word of it being replaced so soon.

Either way, my experience is that Sony's camcorders have an excellent record for compatibility with DV systems. And if any such conflicts do arise with Sony cams, they're often the first to be addressed and fixed.

I think you're on safe ground.

Pete

vega1970
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Hi, I bought a Pyro card last Sep, thanks to the advice of the guys here. It came with Ulead VideoStudio and Mediastudio and up until now MediaStudio has done everything I wanted it to do, I can split the screen in two, create a moving path and it can also do overlay FX, an example of which is the hologram effect featured in Star Wars. Mediastudio will keep you busy for quite some time. Look into the Basic Pyro FireWire card, i've had it for all these months and still have no desire to upgrade.

So long Suckas !!!

Kooky Kipper
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Joined: Mar 1 2001

Yes, I was also surprised by the TRV20E being 'on the way out', I researched the pricing quite thoroughly and found Dixons were cheapest, which was quite a shock.

The Dixon employee that served me said "it was cheap, because it was about to be replaced". I suspect now, he had no idea what he was talking about, at least you can still rely on Dixons for that.

pcwells
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quote:Originally posted by Kooky Kipper:
...I suspect now, he had no idea what he was talking about, at least you can still rely on Dixons for that.

Maybe it was cheap because it has DV-in and analogue-in. There's no demand for things like that you know!

Kooky Kipper
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OK, I ordered the Pyro card.

Thanks for the help.

I shall go and buy a copy of the mag to show my appreciation.

bcrabtree
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Joined: Mar 7 1999

quote:Originally posted by Kooky Kipper:
OK, I ordered the Pyro card.

Thanks for the help.

I shall go and buy a copy of the mag to show my appreciation.

You'll find a subscription form on page 18!

;)

Bob Crabtree
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markdrayton
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Joined: Mar 19 2001

The Sony DCR TRV20 is about to be replaced by the DCR TRV30. See the Sony website at: http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/corpcomm/news/consumer/658.html.
The main differences are:
1.Bottom loading
2.1.5 megapixel for stills
3.Built in flash for stills
4.USB download for stills

Mail order dealers expect them in the UK end April/ early May and discount price them around £1200.

Mark Drayton

Richard Choroszewski
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...and I bet that Mark doesn't even work at Dixons!

or does he?

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