Montage number 5

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kaandaro
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Hi Guys

Time to review number 5

cheers

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Nt-we9SbZo

Fergie
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Enjoyed that but I think I would have preferred some merging of clips rather than fades to black.
(imo :) )

               
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Flame1
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Hi Kandaaro,

I think I am going to be cruel to be kind.

There are too many shots that are not working.It looks like you are experimenting, but then it does not quite work. The stills look like they are there to cover holes rather than advance the video.

Also I think your shots need to be more stable in general. Did you use a tripod in the ceremony?

Some shots were held too long, and I still think you need to listen to the music track and cut more to the beat.

I cannot comment on quality of audio, but if you were looking to have your work assessed they would want to see you demonstrate how you handle the audio side as well as visual.

I hope this does not sound too harsh, I do not mean it to be, it's just I really hope and want you to do well.

Flame.

kaandaro
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I know this is not assessment material, that is something for the future.

I am still VERY new to this as you all know, all feedback is appreciated good and bad.

caryjoy
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Hi Kaandaro, sorry to be cruel on this one but firstly your presentation is not a montage as I understand a montage is several aspects as in several weddings?
I agree with Flame as the footage spends too much time on one particular piece & you need to smooth out your filming as the camera seems to be "jerky" in places. The comment as to fading to black does need to be used in context & some fading to next scene would have been more appropriate. Choice of music.............. Not what I would have used
Add a little more natural sound to get more of a feel
My comments for what they are worth, & yes I know you are still learning but aren't we all.........
Good effort though & keep going it's getting there!!:)

SJJ
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I really have to agree with everything Flame said, sorry.

there were several shots where I was just wondering "huh? what's the point?" like the shot of the little ring bag, which was way too long and didn't even show the rings. Or the still of the flowergirl's shoes?

And composition is still something you seriously need to work on, it screams amateur to me. Sorry to be so blunt about it. You still leave too much "air" above the heads, really learn to aim the camera lower. The composition of ring exchange shot during the ceremony is also another example that could really improve.

Editing to the music. Still need to listen better. There did seem moments where it seemed in time with the music but I wonder if that was a coicidence as at other key moments it just really didn't work with the music.

Too many fades to black. And what's with incorporation the stills? Seems wrong to me.

Sorry... call it tough love ;) I truly do mean well

It is easier to be critical than correct.

kaandaro
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Thanks everyone for your comments.

I have a thick skin so I can take it.

xx

Graham Risdon
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Hi Kaandaro

I think you're very brave putting up clips for review!!!

Don't do weddings myself (although I've done a couple for friends) but can comment on some of the camerawork/editing...

Please take the following comments constructively as we've all made these mistakes at some point... well I certainly have! And anyone that knows the pressures on a shoot (particularly a wedding when there's no director to say "cut - lets go again!") will realise that you have to make the best of what's there... so some comments...

I'm guessing you're using a fairly small lightweight camera with a fixed lens on a lightish tripod because the zooms aren't too steady - much easier with a heavier camera on strurdy sticks with a manual lens... Maybe try a few less zooms and try to compose related shots which can be edited together with dissolves or something... If you look at TV, zooms are rarely used - usually the camera moves closer. most importantly, changing shot angle usually is motivated by something...

Dutch tilt shots, particularly when the camera moves to a tilt are difficult to execute well and IMHO the ones in the montage don't work too well. You have to be very careful not to tilt too much...

The bridesmaid shoes and posy shot looked a bit odd. maybe a tilt shot from feet finishing on a nice smiling face could work better. In a similar vein, a nice tight shot of the pen widening and tilting upto smiling faces could work well rather than the shot you have which isn't too well framed - not enough space?

Regarding shot timings, the general rule is to hold wide shots longer than close-ups - more information for the view to take in.

As they say, practice makes perfect... I would concentrate on making the camerawork smoother for a more pro result - as others have said, always try to use a tripod whenever you can and try to get a good one. It may seem more of a pain whilst shooting, but your footage will look so much better... Of all the bits of kit I've bought, the one that's made the biggest difference to the quality of what I do is my Satchler 20 tripod....

Please don't be disheartened by this - I look back on some of my early stuff and cringe. Keep at it and don't give up - many people think weddings are easy which is clearly not true - as I said before, its all one-take stuff!!

Best of luck

Graham

Lusky
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Hi Karen,

again as said before the shots in the church were really shakey and I found that quite off putting.
At the start you seemed to be following the beat of the song but then you just seemed to give up. It stood out most on the still of the bride and groom that pans from the bride to the groom, there is a large change in the beat and the tempo speeds up yet the visuals don't.
I liked the song and have just used it myself I just think you needed a bit more pace.
What I have noticed with your montages (checked the dictionary and it's fine) is an improvement in your ideas, if that makes sense. I can see you're taking people's advice and trying different things even if they aren't quite coming off yet.
Keep going

John Paul

kaandaro
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Yes Im either brave or stupid!?

Dont know which really.

I put my stuff up for review as I really want to see peoples opinions?

I personally think that each one i do is getting better, i mean my first one compared to this is terrible, but at the end of the day, my Bride & Groom are the only people that matter to me, and when I show my work to potential clients they really like my style, thats why I am now near enough fully booked for this year?

Hopefully one day I will get some "wow that was good" or "i really liked that, well done" but until then I will just keep trudging on.

Cheers

xx

kaandaro
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Lusky

Thankyou for that.

Thats what I meant by my stuff I think has improved.

Yes I am taking peoples advice, and I will carry on doing just that.

xx

David L Lewis
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kaandaro wrote:

Yes I am taking peoples advice, and I will carry on doing just that.

xx

Thats the way we all learn.

Firstly thank you for putting your clips up for review. Not only do you learn from the more experienced videographers but all of us who are less brave than you also learn.

Im still working on an edit and there are some bits I'm quite pleased about and others I wish now I had shot differently. Once Ive delivered to my customer and they are happy I will put some bits up for review.

David L Lewis

Hello I'm in Mensa, Is there anything you would like me to explain to you?

kaandaro
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i hate doing it David if Im honest but I cant live in cloud cuckoo land I need to see how "professionals" see it, but as I said before, I cant be that bad because I am getting bookings through what people have seen so far?

xx

Z Cheema
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Was it raining? as there appear to marks on the lens catching the light.

I get that after a wedding so hard to see on the viewfinder

SJJ
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kaandaro wrote:

Hopefully one day I will get some "wow that was good" or "i really liked that, well done" but until then I will just keep trudging on.

Cheers

xx

you'll get there :)
you are making progress and taking on board the comments, now it's just practise practise practise practise practise practise practise practise practise practise practise practise practise practise practise practise practise practise practise practise practise practise practise practise practise practise practise... but it's very rewarding when you get there!

It is easier to be critical than correct.

Flame1
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I agree, in time you will get there. you are very brave. It is not easy posting work for review. We all have different styles, tastes, things we like, dislike.

We can all pick holes in each others work no matter how good it may appear to be. It is easy to talk the talk, but walking it is so much harder.

Be true to yourself, you will find your own style you are comfortable with. That is what matters, that you are comfortable in yourself with what you do. Be your own critique. If it does not seem right to you, then it's possible it will not be right for others.

Remember the biggest giveaway that anything is amateur is unstable footage. Work on that. Buy a good tripod and use it. It will improve your work a hundred fold.

I remember posting my first sample to share here last year, and my reaction to comments sadly was not as humble as yours! It was a clip from a wedding I shot in 1998 on 4:3 and a hi8 camera!

I was oblivious to how things had moved on and how I needed to review my own work.

We are all learning and the best way to do this is to use the camera whenever you can, edit, film, edit.....one day we may be coming to you to say, how did you do that!

Cheers.:)

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kaandaro
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How did you react then flame?

ChrisG
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Hi

I don't do weddings so maybe I am looking in a different light.

I can see the idea, to create a watchable overview of the day that you can come back to and watch again. If that is the idea it worked. Anything to do with weddings or other peoples holidays generally needs to be under 5 minutes imho :)

If I was the customer I think I would have wanted a bit of snappier editing to vary the pace, by 2.42 I was matching the progress bar....

Slo-motion - again a change to real time and playing with ambient sounds, it is a wedding - there must have been bells! A great wake up for the audience. It might help vary the pace. (I have written that bit about pace twice so it must be something I felt strongly about :) )

Also maybe a merge into colour as the wedding ceremony starts, there is colour in weddings and people have often paid a lot of money for flowers and gold jewellery so why not show it off?

I may well put up something I am involved in at present so you will be able to critique that soon!

hedleyw
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Hi

Firstly - keep posting your work, perhaps I'll get time and pluck up courage to share some soon!

Having missed some of your most recent posts I just looked back over your other examples - it has been said before but you are certainly taking comments on board and it will pay off over time. I would suggest working really hard on the basics such as composition, steadiness of your shots etc before trying to get too adventurous with new styles. Moving camera shots are very hard to pull off well, especially if using a light hand held camcorder and you may be better concentrating on linking well-framed shots that tell a story. I don't have steady hands and sometimes use a monopod as an aid...

Looking forward to number 6 :)

p.s. if your order book is full double your prices ;)

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Flame1
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How did you react then flame?

Hi Kandaroo, I just was not as humble as you!

Here is my clip I put up for review. This was my very first wedding I had filmed back in 1998, just set to modern music!

Cheers.

Flame.

http://www.derienzo-videoproductions.co.uk/beckystuart.wmv

BTW, not up for review!:D

tom hardwick
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Youtube played this as 4:3 - all horizontally compressed, so hard to pass fair comment. I liked the fades to black and I liked the head-in-hands shot in the last quarter.

What bothered me throughout (and especially so on the rings shots) was the wibbly-wobbly but nearly steady hand-held camerawork. Even a monopod would have helped here I feel, but in reality we've all found out there's no substitute for a tripod.

Fine to hand-hold when you're tracking around the faces, but you really need to get a good sharp static shot in the can before you whip the camera off the tripod for the hand-held stuff.

But good-on-you for asking for a fresh pair of eyes to overlook your work, and for taking the brave pill in your responses.

tom.

kaandaro
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Flame 1

Well I would be interested to know what people thought of that??

I think it is lovely

xx