My First Project

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cameraboy
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Here's a link to my first project

Seeing though it's my first video project I would appreaciate honest and critical feedback positive or negative.

thanks

tom hardwick
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Much more important - what did SHE think about it? You don't have to impress us ND filter nerds, because a shoot and edit like that can only go one of two ways. You have to really know the bride's tastes to present something like this.

tom.

Rob James
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Very impressive for a first effort. Most of it works and the bits that don't quite happen still show evidence of what you were trying to achieve.

I think you need to be even more aware of the rhythm of cutting. Sometimes the timing jars and not in a good way. To get a better feel for that it sometimes helps to watch it without the sound. Other than that, I'd be a bit more sparing with the crash zooms and I'd use a tripod. (Or practice more if you were using one)

Good fun and stylish!

Rob The picture is only there to keep the sound in sync

James lundy
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I thought that would have benefitted a great deal by a 'little bit' of glidecam work, where you could have run around the bride to mix it up a little.

Really nice video though, especially for a first.

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cameraboy
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Thanks for the kind words.

Forgive me for the elementry questions but Rob what do you mean by 'Timing Jars' does that mean not correctly sync to the beat? That basically what I tried to do.

This was indeed my first project and only used my Canaon XH A1 handheld, tripod and glidecam with be future purchases when I get into things more.

Tom this actually wasn't a real Bride she just fancied being photographed as one to add to her portfolio. I'm still awaiting feedback from her.

tom hardwick
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cameraboy wrote:
Tom this actually wasn't a real Bride she just fancied being photographed as one to add to her portfolio. I'm still awaiting feedback from her.

In which case I like the movie a lot more. It has style by the bucketload.

cameraboy
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Thanks Tom!

Rob James
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Cutting 'on the beat' isn't always a very good idea. It's sometimes better if the picture cuts have their own rhythm that complements and counterpoints the music. This is partly because of the way the brain processes vision and sound. For example, take a sequence of close-ups of a passing aeroplane intercut with quiet countryside. If the sound and vision are cut on the same frame the incoming sound of the plane is perceived as late whereas the outgoing can be cut on the same frame. In other words, shifting cuts a frame or two from where you think they belong mathematically can make them work better even though they are not on the beat.

Once again though, I liked it and I'm being picky. Tripod will help and Glidecam when you can afford it. For hand-held you've done pretty well though now I've looked at it again there is some evidence of that curious 'corkscrew' effect you get with image stabilisers. I'm looking forward to viewing your next film. You have the makings of what the film schools call, "a voice". in otherwords a distinct style. However, just like Salvador Dali, you need to be a highly competent conventional practicioner to do the clever stuff really well.

Rob The picture is only there to keep the sound in sync

cameraboy
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Rob, is it the same methodology as starting a vocal in a song offbeat then? Many tracks have the start of a verse or chorus coming in offbeat, if you know what I mean?

Corkscrew effect? The only thing I used to try and stabalize some of the footage was FCP 'steadycam' function. Is that what you mean when the is an evident slight judder in the footage where its been processed?

Rob James
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There's a couple of shots just after 20 seconds in that kind of show what I mean and, yes, it could well be the FCP steadycam I've produced the same effect with other post stabilisers but the in camera stabilisers demonstrate it better. It's quite difficult to describe but it's a bit like being in a dinghy that's both pitching and rolling or maybe on the back of a horse with a "rolling gait". Don't get me wrong, if it is present in your film, it is only momentary hence not spotting on the first couple of views.

Yes, it is much the same principle as starting a vocal offbeat. A film editor convinced me this was the way to go many years ago. Before that I'd always tried to make everything happen on the beat. (I was a dubbing mixer in those days) Suffice to say, it was about that time that my career took off and I reckon that's one reason why.

Rob The picture is only there to keep the sound in sync

Mike Pulcinella
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I really like this! Just keep making videos. You have talent and are off to a great start. You will get better and better with each one you do.

cameraboy
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Thanks for your kind words, Mike.

I really enjoyed making it. What I found out immediatley was that the editing process is a lot easier when you have the right source material. Much of the footage had exposure and lighting issues with it. Next time I'll know better!

Mike Pulcinella
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That's why I didn't bother to pick this apart. I can tell that you know where you didn't quite get it right and I see a lot of raw talent. At this point I don't want to discourage you from trying anything and everything! The next clip or the one after that we will start to get tougher on you!!! :D

cameraboy
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Mike Pulcinella wrote:
That's why I didn't bother to pick this apart. I can tell that you know where you didn't quite get it right and I see a lot of raw talent. At this point I don't want to discourage you from trying anything and everything! The next clip or the one after that we will start to get tougher on you!!! :D

I can imagine.

:) :)