My first wedding...

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tomtailford
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Well a girl who I knew at school was getting married... so I said I would do her video for nothing as it was my first.

I am now uploading a clip of what I have done so far (all the prep) - the music was from her first dance. (Will be here in 30mins or so!)

Would appreciate your opinions & guidance

A few things:

She requested 3 songs be on the DVD... & the one I used for prep was actually her first dance - do you think I should use a different one so I can ensure the song is playing when they actually do the first dance?

I was going to try and make a nice 10-30minute video. I want to capture as much as possible for them, but I don't want to make it a boring slide-photography style scenario when they put it on for people. Do people tend to cut their footage right down? Or would people play the whole ceremony? Is there like a standard? Or is this something I should discuss with them as I am making it for them??? eeek

Thanks for any pointers, I'm new to this so appreciate any direction as I'm not too sure!

Tom

tom hardwick
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As the first dance will quite probably be the last music track on the disc it's best that the first track isn't the same song. They'll be far apart in the video, but if the DVD comes to the end and starts playing again it will seem like audio over-exposure.

tomtailford
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Yea, I will have to use a different song in that case.

Vimeo is converting... but once it is done it will be live here: http://www.vimeo.com/3881855

tomtailford
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ffs........... lol

branny
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Hi Tomt - You can use as much or as little as you need. Some want all the ceremony and all the speeches, some just want highlights to show friends.
I frequently produce same day edits which encompass the whole day and use just one song.
Some say, you can have too much of a good thing - others, just can't get enough!
Make the choice and work it till it squeaks :)

Do not follow, I may not lead. Do not lead . . . I may not follow.

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Hi Tom,

I'm not really one for giving compliments unless something really excites me, and I'm a grump:)

The first thing you need to do is use a stabiliser for your shots. I found your handheld work consistently shaky throughout. Less of the zooms in or out! you don't need them as your not doing a reveal etc, so looks amateurish.

Where's the live sound! Filming is about sound as well as picture. Since this is not a highlights sequence, but bride preps, you need live sound....

I was distracted at one point by someone brushing their teeth. Try and find positions to cut out these distractions if you can.

Having said that, it's not bad for a first attempt.

I am sure others will comment, good, bad, or ugly....:)

Cheers,

Flame

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Hi Tom.
Good selection of shots, but as Flame points out, lots of zooms. Use the zoom control to compose your shot, take the shot and re compose. For the shakes I would recommend a monopod, takes up no room and really makes for much steadier shots, particularly usefull in confined areas.

Colin Rowe

tomtailford
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Thanks for comments,

I do have a tripod, but need to invest in a monopod... do you think I should use mercalli prodad to get it looks stable? I reckon the comprimise in picture quality might not be worth it.

Yea, I saw the tooth brushing and pointed that out to people when watching it myself.... which is a shame, I will try and detract from it using a spot light or something similar in Premiere.

Zooming... I am an amateur... what are you guys talking about lol!!! But yea, I fiddle to much with zoom!

Audio was super quiet. I have had a lot of problems with Audio in my other work. I need help on that side of things!

Thanks again,

Tom

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I'd echo the comments above. Also try editing 'on' the beat a bit more. The shot of the dress (about 50secs) seemed to go on for too long.
A mono pod is one of our best buys. Bought a cheapy on ebay first, then upgraded it to a Manfrotto. Found myself going back to the cheapy for high shots though. (much lighter. ;) ) You can hang the cam upside down on it for those low down shoe shots, then spin it over in post. Easy way to get a 'glide' around.
What equipment are you using Tom? If you're on HDV, then deshaking will be OK (if you're going to MPEG2 for DVD). Looks nice and sharp, good encode. What did you use for that?
Sounds like your camera may have audio attenuation switched on, or the audio just set way too low?

tom hardwick
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Tom - take a brave pill and listen up.
It' so jittery. It's so silent - no voices, no laughter. Such a music track cries out for cuts to the beat.

And oh, the auto-exposure give-aways; I so dislike them. Look at the pull back from her tiara, the white door shot, the over-exposed faces outside - because there are dark suits in frame. Look at how under-exposed the bride is because the surrounding walls happen to be white.

A camcorder's auto-exposure is only sometimes right, but most times it's wrong. And it's wrong to let the iris fluctuate during a shot (unless the sun goes behind a cloud or something).

But keep going - it's the only way to learn.

tom.

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Ditto to all the above comments, particularly on the shaky shots. You absolutely must start using a tripod, I thought the shot through the garden lattice cried out for a pull-focus but you'd have no chance getting it hand held. Some of the framing looked a bit suspect to - could have done with a little more headroom on some shots. Good quality on Vimeo what format did you use to upload it?

tomtailford
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It was .H264 codec as vimeo recommends =)

I'm gonna invest in a monopod - as everyone has said the same about that!

I'm also gonna fiddle a bit with my camera, figure out audio issues & also the exposure settings - I should learn how to use these rather than flicking everything to Auto.

I was advised to cut to the beat more... which I will do & also decrease the amount of time on the dresses clip.

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Tom - I bought a fancy Manfrotto monopod. Then at a couple of weddings I lifted the car's boot lid, looked in and thought, 'Am I going to use the tripod or the monopod today?' Decisions you make in the carpark affect your whole day.

Why compromise? I thought. And I lifted out the tripod every time.

Hand-holding gets 1. The OIS is better than nothing and gets 3 out of 10. Bean bags get 5, monopods get 6 and tripods get 10.

tom.

tomtailford
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any recommendations for monopod for the FX1/Z1?

Seems like the manfrotto 561B is a good monopod (should be at nearly £200!)

tom hardwick
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That's the one. The conclusions of my test:

£169 is a lot to ask for a monopod but I’m of the opinion that of all the kit you own, it’s the tripods and microphones that stay with you the longest. You change your editing computer pretty regularly and your camcorder too – possibly as often as every five years. Yet a monopod built to these standards will follow you from camera to camera, year to year, and buying from such a well-respected Italian manufacturer mean spares will be available and it’ll hold its value well should you decide to sell.

Compared to a tripod it’s lighter, it’s far quicker to raise and lower, it has a far smaller footprint and it’s a damn sight cheaper, too. Unlike a conventional stick-like monopod designed for a still camera this 561B allows you to do very smooth pans and tilts, and has been designed with movies in mind. It gives your camera support in very tight places such as church vestries and around tables, and with this design I really feel the monopod has come of age.

tom.

colin rowe
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Tomtailford. You might like to save some money and get something like the Manfrotto 557B monopod coupled to this shoulder brace http://www.bristolcameras.co.uk/p-manfrotto-361-shoulder-brace-for-monopod.htm Less than £85 all in. It makes for really steady shots.

Colin Rowe

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I have the Manfrotto 685B, which is probably the fastest monopod to use due to the trigger mechanism. Whenever we have a training day, or when we did the seminar at the IoV, people keep asking us which one it is. Can't recommend it highly enough.

It is easier to be critical than correct.

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tomtailford
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So 685B or 561B?

What would people say go for if I am gonna splash out.

I would rather pay the extra if it's worth it =)

I've found a 685B for £100 incl. VAT & delivery!

tom hardwick
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I'd say get a monopod if you don't have a tripod, but get a tripod (525+503HDV, as an example) if you have neither.

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My 2p worth is to try and get a Monopod whose plate will fit the Tripod, saves a bit of hassle when changing over.

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H & M Video wrote:
My 2p worth is to try and get a Monopod whose plate will fit the Tripod, saves a bit of hassle when changing over.

Harry

we just have a quick release plate (Manfrotto 394 Plate Adaptor) fixed on all our monopods, tripods, any other stabilising systems, not matter what brand. Saves a lot of time and hassle

It is easier to be critical than correct.

tomtailford
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I already have a 525+503HDV, but didnt have the room to set it up for the prep really, lots of people moving back and forward.

Looking @ the 685B, it seems to be a screw in connection to the camera, so I would need an extra head on top of that?

Is the 561B looks like a rugged bit of kit...

Decisions decisions!

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Tom. The 557B comes with the same head/plate as your 503 tripod for simple mono to tripod transfer. http://www.thedigitalcamerashop.co.uk/product_details.php?id=1247 At £63 its a good price as the plate and head are abot £36 if purchased alone

Colin Rowe