Replace Sony A1E

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Paul Jordan
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If I was to replace my HDV based Sony A1E tape camera, what would be your advice for solid state and equivalent functions and price as the Sony?

Any suggestions most welcome.

Thanks.

MAGLINK
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Canon HF-S21 and a juice link Xlr adaptor if you need it or if you can spend a bit more the canon XF100.

Alan Roberts
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The new Canon XF105 has to be a runner as well. I've just finished testing it and it's rather nice, although a fair bit more pricey than the A1.

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StevenBagley
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There's also the Panasonic AG-HMC41 -- which is in the same ball park as the A1E price wise yet features 3 CMOS chips which should give better resolution and colour.

Did you ever test one, Alan? I know you were intrigued by its specs at IBC 2009.

Steve

Gavin Gration
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I replaced my HC1e with a Canon HFS200. It wasn't intentional.

The Canon is very nice but struggles a bit in very low light.

Almost all controls are touchscreen. It takes some getting used to.

I understand the Sony MC50 and the consumer equivalent are very good.

http://www.sony.co.uk/biz/product/nxcamcorders/hxr-mc50e/overview

Depending on what you want to do a Canon 550d is always an option.

infocus
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Worth looking at the JVC HM100. Similar in many respects to the HMC41, but with the 35Mbs MPEG2 codec, so more edit friendly than an AVC-HD camera. (Whilst being better than HDV.)

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infocus wrote:
Worth looking at the JVC HM100. Similar in many respects to the HMC41, but with the 35Mbs MPEG2 codec, so more edit friendly than an AVC-HD camera. (Whilst being better than HDV.)

We purchased one of these as a second camera a year back. When I first used it I wasn't blown away by its user friendliness, although the images were reasonably good. However I've just been shooting in a country where it was inappropriate to shoot on anything pro looking, so (in its stripped down form) I was forced to use the GY HM-100 much more than I normally would.

I have to say that now I've spent more time with the camera I'm pleasantly surprised. Sure it takes a while to work out what it strengths are, but once you've put in the fumble time it's a very capable camera punching well above its belt for its size.

Oh and if you've seen my rant thread about AVCHD you can probably guess that I love the codec on the JVC!

infocus
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I'll agree with all of that. I mentioned the HM100 because the initial post mentioned a replacement for an A1E, and they are comparable size. Unfortunately, small size means compromises, normally in usability and ability to work under low light levels, but that applies to all cameras in this class.

tom hardwick
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Paul - it might help if we knew what sort of films you've made with the Sony A1 and what you intended to make in the future. The JVC/Panasonic three chip suggestions made here are good, but if you have the luxury of time when you make your films it might just be worth making your next DSLR do both jobs.

tom.

Paul Jordan
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Thanks for all the suggestions so far, I have now had a look at all of them on the web but still undecided.

I mainly shoot concerts, recitals which last in duration of 1-2 hours approx so low light and sound capabilities are important to me. Being a professional still photographer I would love it if my dslr's would cover my needs as this would be perfect but currently they only record a max of 12 min or so onto card which really does not suit my purpose, I wish it did!

Alan Roberts
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I had a look at the HMC41, but didn't do formal tests because it was only on a social visit that I got hands on one. However, we know that the Panasonic HCK10/HMR10 is a split version of it (and I did a full test on that), so the measurements and settings should be the same. Resolution is significantly better than the A1 because the sensor resolution is significantly higher. It has aliases, but not bad. Noise level was spectacularly low for a small camera, around -59dB. The rolling shutter does what you'd expect. A nice little camera.

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MAGLINK
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Alan Roberts wrote:
The new Canon XF105 has to be a runner as well. I've just finished testing it and it's rather nice, although a fair bit more pricey than the A1.

That's good to hear Alan as I have a few friends that are looking at it as a DSR170 type replacement.

Alan Roberts
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It's not up to DSR170 performance, only a single sensor, like the A1 (and same pixel-count). But it performs quite well, the camera section actually does a little better than the A1. The controls and recorder are the same as on the XF305 (nearly) and it has a full 50Meg 4:2:2 10-bit recording mode, which is nice.

Get my test cards document, and cards for 625, 525, 720 and 1080. Thanks to Gavin Gration for hosting them.
Camera settings documents are held by Daniel Browning and at the EBU
My book, 'Circles of Confusion' is available here.
Also EBU Tech.3335 tells how to test cameras, and R.118 tells how to use the results.

MAGLINK
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Alan Roberts wrote:
It's not up to DSR170 performance, only a single sensor, like the A1 (and same pixel-count). But it performs quite well, the camera section actually does a little better than the A1. The controls and recorder are the same as on the XF305 (nearly) and it has a full 50Meg 4:2:2 10-bit recording mode, which is nice.

These friends are journalists so they get lost with anything beyond Dvcam as they think that is a good as it gets.:D

I recommended the 305 to them but they thought it was too expensive for broadcast, yup I live in Tyne Tees TV land where HD virtually doesn't exist, the same journo's thought the Z7 was a broadcast HD/SD camera too but hey ITV tyne tees have just bought Z5's for the VJ's so they must be right?????????

I love my little HF11 so the 105/305 must be a cracking cameras, I am really tempted by the AF101 too but I am supposed to be trying to get out of this media madness but an old friend has just moved back up north and has offered his RED ONE M-X set-up for me to use!