UK-the best place to buy second hand video cameras?????

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rob e.g
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hi all

hope everyone is enjoying the beginins of the year 2006!

right, i need a new camera,fast.
i have the funds
i have some specs that im not gonna write all about,because thats not what this post is about,---basically i need good quality-3ccd,manual zoom/focus,etc. etc. a pro/semi pro camera - something along the lines of a sony trv 900,,,,,

im going to be buying second hand as i can not afford this type of cam new

in your oppinion what is the best place to purchase this type of camera???
the thing with ebay is that you have no guarantees.....

any help would be greatly appreciated, even better - do you have a samera to sell????

cheers,

robbie

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I have a JVC DV500 which I am going to put in the DVD doctor classifieds tomorrow.

shellgrip
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Well, I would actually advise you look over eBay. There are a LOT of cameras for sale on there (and now's a good time to buy). Your 'guarantee' on eBay comes from the feedback given to a particular seller and in my opinion offers you a better feel for the seller than you get from other supposedly more 'reputable' sources.

I'm quite comfortable using eBay, so long as you've got a head on your shoulders and don't buy a picture of the camera :)

Jon

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Have you upgraded and what did you upgrade to Purple?

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I'm now using a Z1

Mark M
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I have been watching e-bay for TRV900s for some time now and although I wouldn't hesitate to buy one there (from a good trader, natch) they appear very rarely and when they do I think the prices they fetch are too high. There hasn't been one for ages so I can't give an example, but the last one I watched went for over £ 800, which I think is a lot for a 6 - 8 year old camera, especially as that kind of money is not that far short of a new HC1.

If it's truly a TRV900 you're after (and I love mine - which is why I want another!) then you should have a look here:
http://www.bealecorner.com/trv900/

and if you're buying second hand (in person!) then this article is quite sensible
http://www.videouniversity.com/buycam.htm

So, haven't really answered your question, sorry! And no, I'm not selling mine!

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tom hardwick
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Robbie and Mark - it sounds as if you're both in the market for a Sony VX2000. Anyone who loves their TRV900 will simply adore the VX. I know - I had two 900s and now have two VX2ks.

As the 4:3 era draws to a close these fine cameras (and the PD versions of same) will be sold off at tempting prices. They have beautiful lenses, all the manual control you could think of and a low light capability that'll have you gasping in disbelief.

tom.

Mark M
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Ah Tom, you're so right. In fact my TRV900 is the baby bear of my family: mommy being a VX2100 and daddy being a PD170. The things about the TRV900 I like better than the grownups is the smaller size and the very big screen. Sure, the image quality isn't so good, but you can do things with it (like strap it to the handlebars) that you'd not do with your bigger cameras!
Funnily enough there's lots of talk of VXs and PD150 / 170s being sold off cheap, but I'm not seeing it happening yet... unless I'm looking in the wrong marketplace!

Mark

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tom hardwick
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All this talk of VXs and PDs being sold off cheaply is being said by me. As you say though - nobody else seems to be listening. But it is amazing that you can buy a brand new, fully guaranteed Mini DV camcorder for £270 (the Sony Hi-8 one costs more) whereas 8 year old TRV900s sell for double that.

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The stories of migration from PDs to HD is a prediction, not an observation. At present, I think the market for cameras is still expanding fast enough for there to be new people buying, rather than only people trading. Add to that, many of the PD150/170s in use have been worked hard (e.g. in the major broadcast industry) so may not be in too good a condition when they're finished. What's certainly true though, is that many of the users of PDs are moving up to HDV, but that doesn't mean that there's a glut of secondhand units on the market yet, I suspect many of them are still in use as fill-ins or for doing recces of shoots (I know of several occasions where a producer has gone out with a PD and shot location stuff prior to the main shoot, 10 years ago that would have been on VHS).

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shellgrip
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You can never have too many cameras. I've still got my first miniDV, sticky buttons from being covered in lager and all. As Alan says, I'd say there's a fair few people out there who have upgraded but have also kept their 'old' camera for other purposes or simply to give them more options.

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rob e.g
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tom - i get your point about the vx2000,but the thing about the trv900 is its size...i could buy a pd170 very cheaply,with extras and whathaveyou, but i would be limited in my use because of its size...thats the main reason for me wanting a trv900..i have read good reviews of it,and everyone that ive spoken to-forum wise or other seams to love them....so my search will continue..im still holing out for a little advert in my local post office

"second hand sony trv900 for sale to a loving home..." - we can but hope

im still gonna keep my camera that ive had for 3 or so years,for use and sentimentality,,and the fact that i probably wouldnt be able to sell it for anything as its only a little trv140!!!awww

thanks for all your helpfull info!!
keep me posted

rob

Claire
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In answer to your post, I have a TRV900 in fine working order which I now want to sell to buy a 16:9 cam. It was originally purchased from Jessops in November 1999 with a Domestic & General breakdown insurance which I have renewed each year.

I last renewed the insurance in November 2005 and I just looked at the policy and see that the remaining eleven months of cover are transferable to the person I sell it to.

Claire

tom hardwick
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Rob, meet Claire.

rob e.g
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claire i have sent you a p.m

wuhay,looks like my search may be over

rob

josjac
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Regarding the prices of PD170`s etc... i`ve noted the fact that, despite predictions to the contrary, they seem to hold their prices as well as ever. After reading so many times how their market value was sliding i took to watching out on Ebay for them - only to find they still fetched real money, typically high teens into the low two`s.
It`s not that i don`t think of them being unworthy of all these £`s (they are great cam`s) it`s just that i`d gone looking for one to compliment my own cherished 900. At knockdown prices (a grand or so) i`d have been seriously tempted, but for the currrent prices i realised i could be owning an FX1. Even being aware of the relative cons aswell as pros of the HDV cam over the SD one, i started getting quite interested in the prospect of buying into HD much sooner than i`d predicted, much to the bosses displeasure. Now i`m just counting down the days til i get one... it`s all your fault Tom :(

But in the meantime i`m still enjoying my 900. Such a fab lil` camera - altho` not that little with a PD100 w/a one end & a np950 the other. But it`s all just so right for a compact(ish) cam. Real buttons for the things you really need, nice weight, nice balance, nice picture, big LCD, zebra`s, decent lowlight, a ND (gloss over the fact it really needed another stronger one too) It even takes web friendly stills to Memory Stick.
I love the thing. Always have done since i saw one on the cover of `Video Camera` mag back in `98. Like others, couldn`t ever see me selling it.

However, maybe i will. Only time will tell, but i can`t imagine that i`ll ever choose to use it when i do have an alternative that`ll capture oodles more detail. & in 16:9.
I can`t imagine the 900`s output will cut too well with HDV...

But to Rob, if HDV isn`t a neccessity, you WILL love the 900. It`ll make you want to learn how to get the best out of it, unlike most consumer cams. In fact, it doesn`t really feel (or look) like a consumer cam & you certainly won`t get mistaken for just another DV owner.

josjac

rob e.g
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well after much conversing with Claire we have completed the transaction - almost

im expecting the camera on saturday(if im being optimistic),or monday (if im being realistic)depending on the Royal Mail,as if you send something next day delivery on FRIDAY,they dont guarantee its next day (as saturday isnt classed as a working day).BUT i have faith in our system - so far as mail goes!

yup,im sure i wont regret buying the trv900,not at all.
im very much looking forward to doing some filming,and making some clips to be used in an up and coming gig,,,,
,,,,now my old trv140 has that bigger brother that ive allways promised her!!!

thanks for all the great advice people at DVDoctor & a big thanks to claire for being so helpfull with all my questions,and for selling me her camera-it IS going to a loving home!

Robbie

tom hardwick
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Robbie - like Josjac says, you'll love the 900. This cam burst onto a world accustomed to fine Hi-8 cams such as the hugely expensive Canon EX2 and Sony's 3 chip Hi-8 (can't even remember its name, and don't really want to, either).

Along comes the diminutive 900 and at a stroke knocks Panasonoc's DX100 for six, lifting the quality stakes over night and calling an immediate end to the analogue days. Here was a camera with proper photographic control. A camera where you decide what aperture and shutter speed to shoot at, what audio level you set, whether you use the switchable ND or the gain up, where you're kept informed at all times (in record and replay) about the settings you've selected and used.

An amazing following sprung up, helped I've no doubt by John Beale's excellent site on the camera:

http://www.bealecorner.com/trv900/index.html

You can raise the little chrome foot by the tripod socket to set the camera at an angle on a table top. Flip the big side-screen back on itself and you have a chunky little TV. Put headphones on the viewer and pust 'start' on your latest epic. Make sure the movie starts with a bang and watch their amazement at what they see.

All this on a 1998 camera. It hadn't been possible before.

tom.

rob e.g
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yeh the bealcorner trv site heas helped a lot since you posted it a while back,,,,oooooh my im looking forward to this!

Mark M
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I just treated myself to another TRV900 at a ludicrously low £ 395 from e-bay. Put in a speculative £ 400 bid not expecting to win. Camera arrived yesterday, and it's absolutely immaculate and virtually unused. It's like taking a time machine back to 1998 when I bought the other one! Yes, so a genuine bargain there. Me very pleased. As someone says above, you can't have too many cameras!

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tom hardwick
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My £750 for a second hand and early VX2000 was pretty good too. Owner heading for a PD170.

Edd
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Hi all, talking of the VX2000, i too am in the market for a new camera, but im bored of waiting for ebay to throw one up. So continuing on this thread, does anyone know any good second hand places apart from Ebay to buy, or even better does anyone have one to sell me?

Thanks
Edd

Dave R Smith
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Given that vision impact have purchased optex's rental gear
http://forums.dvdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=36684&highlight=optex
they may want to offload some of it - may even get a service thrown in.
If it turns out the gear is up for grabs, please report back.

Dave.