Vista versus XP

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LesWinn
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What are opinions of Vista? Will this operating system be short lived, as some past systems, or is it here to stay?

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I've been using it since early beta.
I won't be removing it from any of the machines i have it on , it works nicely on a p4d and a core2duo.
It is a different ''interface'' and does take a bit of getting used to for some people , i just liked it from day one.
I disabled UAC , and that makes most things a lot less ''are you sure you want to do that ''

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Sorry Gary, what is p4d?

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p4d = first dual core intel cpu .......

pentium d processor .... dual core @ 2.8ghz ( in my machine ) versus the newer core2duo = 2 core @ 1.86ghz ( which is approx 200% faster than the p4d )

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From what I've heard on the net though it is meant to be a lot slower that XP. Things like initial boot up in particular.

My friend sent me this the other day - http://dotnet.org.za/codingsanity/archive/2007/12/14/review-windows-xp.aspx

I thought it was quite funny but surely it can't be that bad?

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Thanks for that explanation Gary.

Perhaps you can also please also tell me how the speed of a

3GHz Pentium 4 compares with a (laptop) "Intel Core2Duo 7400 2 16Ghz processor"

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Les, the core2duo 2.16G processor is a lot faster than a single core 3G. That's why I went for it in my DVC laptop.

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LesWinn wrote:
Thanks for that explanation Gary.

Perhaps you can also please also tell me how the speed of a

3GHz Pentium 4 compares with a (laptop) "Intel Core2Duo 7400 2 16Ghz processor"

ok here are my findings based on xvid encodes

p4 2ghz = 4 x realtime
p4d 2.8ghz = 2 x realtime
p4 core2duo 1.8ghz = realtime 60 minute 16:9 dvd to 16:9 704x400 xvid 2 pass

so to answer your question : i would suggest in comparison a 2 x speed increase ( 1/2 the time to encode )

my p4d and my core2duo both have 3GB ram in them

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DVC still pump out a lot of kit with XP Pro rather than Vista, saying Canopus stuff prefers it.

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Lots of video hardware and software does not run "officially" or at all on Vista- for example Matrox RT.X2, all Canopus hardware products, Procoder... and these are just the ones I use.
I'll be sticking with XP - from preference - until 64 bit drivers are available for all the hardware I use, and all the software I use is rewritten for 64 bit.... I suspect I'll be with XP for a while!

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as info only , not an attempt to persuade anyone : Procoder 2 and 3 and edius 4.5 and procoder for edius all run under vista.

the trick with many is to get the ''overlay'' to work properly.

but yes , if you want known good systems , accept whatever dvc or other big decent sellers say.

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Neon Films wrote:
From what I've heard on the net though it is meant to be a lot slower that XP. Things like initial boot up in particular.

My friend sent me this the other day - http://dotnet.org.za/codingsanity/archive/2007/12/14/review-windows-xp.aspx

I thought it was quite funny but surely it can't be that bad?

My understanding is that initial program loading is substantially slower under Vista, although running the program is quicker the second time due to some intelligent caching in vista.

NB both operating systems are due service packs shortly, with XP SP3 rumored to noticeably faster than SP2 but Vista SP1 no faster than the original release.

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Edius 4.5 will run on Vista but Titlemotion Pro crashes Edius, also Edius 4.5 is not supported under Vista yet, there are no hardware drivers for Storm/NX etc, so it works in a way, using OHCI only.

I have Vista on a new Vaio which now runs very quickly, but it took about a week, turning off all the horrid bloated control systems like Windows Defender, kicking out Norton ( yuck ) and removing all those self updaters - cripes there must be about 20 programmes all battling it out for access to the net as soon as you try to boot the machine. Trimming down the "start up" list makes a difference, as does running everything in " Windows Classic" mode - much slicker and almost as smooth as XP.

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FWIW I have one Vista box with a 2.4GHz quad core in it running a single Vista optimized DAW application. It boots faster than any other machine here (more than 5) and seems to be very robust not to mention screamingly fast. I suspect it really depends on whether the software you want to run is optimized for Vista. I too have turned ACC off. Just too boring to tolerate. Otherwise it seems well behaved and good looking.

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I bought a Matrox Axio from DVC in November and they said to steer well clear of Vista for the moment for editing solutions. I also bought a laptop with Vista (not for video work) to learn the OS - tried loading Onlocation CS3 and it works fine - Premiere elements came free with it too and that seems to work OK - bit limited though when compared with PP CS3!

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LesWinn wrote:
What are opinions of Vista? Will this operating system be short lived, as some past systems, or is it here to stay?

And to actually answer the original question, I suspect that it will be short lived.

That said, I would expect the replacement O/S to be evolutionary, rather than revolutionary, being more marketing led then technology led.

I have read that the due date for the next major release of Windows is 2012, and with that date likely to slip, I can't see Microsoft waiting that long!

Thus I'd expect a small technical bump in 2009 as a way of pushing some of the older OSs out of the support matrix.

As I understand it, Microsoft commits to 7 years of support for operating systems, and the support of the last 2 service packs for the last 2 major releases of Windows. Thus Microsoft will be able to substantially reduce its maintenance programming workload by having the last 2 major releases based on a similar code-base. I believe Windows XP will be 7 years old in October this year.

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Quite an interesting question.

I too think the forth-coming service pack for XP will be the last.
It has had a very long life by MS standards, perhaps this has been extended by not enough people migrating as MS expected? so XP is a hard act to follow.

I have used all MS systems since 3.1 – which then was basic word processing .
Windows 95 (on floppies) was a revolution! That was only 13years ago – did I type only?
98 was an improvement so was SE (the original SP) then ME and XP all have been better than their predecessor. So that’s 5 O/S in 12years, not counting the XP Service Packs – life extenders? XP–Pro was built off of the old NT Platform too!
How many versions of Office have there been? Well:- 95, 97, 2000, XP, 2003 now it’s 2007! And 2008 for Mac.

Maybe I would have been a Mac aficionado – but was, their inherent lack of up-grade ability.
Linux is also a good open source O/S, but needs more software written – there again none is compatible with MS – who have a huge budget.

To my mind.

There was not enough “mind-blowing” features for some in Vista – but it is slightly different, some changes do seem for changes sake – the features are still there, but now renamed and in a different location! Others are pointless.
There is everything that XP could do, plus a little bit more.

If the basic hardware of a computer is not up to it (read old) – Vista will not work perfectly. All hardware being produced now should be compatable - and will be for the products lifetime.

Correct me if I am wrong, an O/S is an interface for “other software” to operate on, and assist connectivity between components.

These other hardware manufacturers and specialist software writers may not have been so quick of the mark by making drivers and updates available – which has also fueled the detractors.
OR the manufacturers and writers didn’t want to… My Canon scanner still works perfectly – but not with Vista – OK, Canon want me to buy a new scanner! That is marketing.

Then there are the detractors that whinge about the UAC interrupting, but are too damn stupid to turn it off! Hopefully included in the SP, will downrate the need to be asked fifty times if I want to delete something - I have just dragged to the bin.

As Getlostdave stated

I would expect the replacement O/S to be evolutionary, rather than revolutionary
That sums up Vista for me.

being more marketing led then technology led.
One will always lead the other.

The speed in the CPUs ability to complete tasks, then for it to be displayed on screen, coupled with memory for multi-tasking, will always be at the forefront.

And the above lines are not a contradiction.