Why AMD

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Mattfew
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This may have been asked before, but as this is my first posting - can anybody help?

I'm new to video editing! Have recently bought a new Panasonic Mini DV camera, about to buy Pinnacle Studio Deluxe and Evesham PC. What is the advantage of AMD over Intel P4 for video editing (and transferring to DVD).

Mattfew

Bomag
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If you DIY AMD based system will be cheaper, for prebuilt systems you will probably get more/better spec for a given price point e.g. £999 etc.

Both chips will run the same software.

Darren Wilson
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An AMD based machine will be cheaper at first, but as a few of the editing software packages make use of the SSE2 instructions that the P4 uses, the P4 should render & encode data a fair bit faster. I found this to be the same when I changed my CPU from a 1Ghz Athlon to an Athlon XP 1800+. Because the Athlon XP uses SSE & the Thunderbird core original Athlon didn't, video encoding was much faster (50% of the running time compared to 125% on the original Athlon).

Blagard
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Darren,

What a rotten thing to say! - My Athlon 900Mhz still does the job and I'm trying to resist the urge to upgrade. What I don't need right now is someone telling me how much better the XP range is ;)

I'm also holding out on buying a DVD writer until the price comes down even further. I am cutting my teeth on VCD's at the moment but can see that's already doomed!. So I render all my project material to full DVD MPEG-2 format and archive to CD's for future use!.

I will buckle to the upgrade urge when I get a useful 3x existing CPU speed at a reasonable price, so not much longer to wait!

WDB
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quote:Originally posted by Darren Wilson:
An AMD based machine will be cheaper at first, but as a few of the editing software packages make use of the SSE2 instructions that the P4 uses, the P4 should render & encode data a fair bit faster. I found this to be the same when I changed my CPU from a 1Ghz Athlon to an Athlon XP 1800+. Because the Athlon XP uses SSE & the Thunderbird core original Athlon didn't, video encoding was much faster (50% of the running time compared to 125% on the original Athlon).

Which apps, besides Photoshop, actually use SSE2?

Outside of the digital animation field, Photoshop is the only app that I know of that does.

elbow
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I love my AMD it has been my pride and joy ever since I built it. However if I was starting again with another system I would definately go with the P4 just because of the future compatibility options which have stopped me from installing extra hardware in my current system. I'm also worried that AMD seem to be in something of a development rut right now until they can overcome the teperature thing. Where as intel seem to be coming back into their stride with the P4's working more efficiently as the processors get even faster.

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jdathey
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I am currently building a scratch system for digital video editing. A couple of guys and I are starting an educational video business for the healthcare industry. Here is the system:

Asus A7m266-d Dual Socket A Motherboard (AMD 760MPX Chipset)
2 Athlon Mp 2000+ Socket A Pc Chipmulti-processors (1667 MHz each)
1 GB PC 2100 DDR Memory
Asus nVIDIA GeForce4 Ti4400 AGP 128MB DDR Video Graphics Card
WD Caviar ATA100 40 GB System Drive
WD Caviar ATA100 120 GB VD Storage Drive
Canopus DV Storm2 Plus Video Editing System
Pioneer DVR-A05 DVD Burner
Creative Audigy 2 Platinum Audio
Windows XP Professional OS
Software: Canopus Storm Edit; Adobe Premier 6.5; Sonic ReelDVD

I've heard it said here that some software makes use of the SSE2 instructions in the P4. Since the AMD XP processor uses this is it safe to assume that the AMD MP processors do the same? Also, I've read here that there are problems with the Audigy cards. Has there been improvements with Audigy 2?

J

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sean reilly
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I have the same system your bullding but not with The Storm, just normal Firewire, The Adigy 2 soundcard will I`m told at www.2cpu.com will not work as it has problems with SMP. To be honest I use the on board sound and it seems fine...... in the beggining I had lots of BSOD screens but after updating the bios to 1009 all is well.

I dont know if you have had any experience with this board but alot of people over at 2cpu.com have major problems with it.......mine was self built too so if you have any problems email me and I`ll try to help

Sean reilly

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Bomag
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The Asus A7M266D I had did have problems with an Audigy, along with a lot of other problems!

I switched to the MSI K7D Master and have had very few problems. The Audigy works fine except that the drivers will only use a single processor and that the latest drivers cause shutdown problems. Creative are apparently working on both the SMP and shut down problem as it also effects the new 3GHz P4 with Hyperthtreading.

Current Athlon's support SSE not SSE2, however the software which makes use of SSE is minimal.

bazil
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Well I recently went from an AMD K6/500 with an SiS chipset, 256MB SDRAM and Windows XP, which captured and editted fine, to an Athlon XP2000+, with the same RAM, but a VIA chipset motherboard and Windows 98SE. Now I'm having serious problems! When I capture from my JVC Mini DV camera, the picture jumps, the sound jumps and lots of frames are lost in Adobe Premiere 6.0, yes I've tried other capture software. It's very annoying, I have a 5600rpm 30GB Western Digital Cavier drive, I'm about to purchase a 120GB 1394 FireWire drive that has a spindle speed of 7200rpm, will this resolve the problem? I think it's probably downgrading from Windows XP to 98SE that's causing the problem, my guess is that XP is optimized for DV Capture and 98SE isn't. I would put XP back on, but for some strange reason, my computer isn't liking my hard drive, so I have to stick to 98SE until I get my FireWire hard drive and then I can install XP onto that.

WHERE'S THE GRAIN?!?

jdathey
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I'm new to DV creation and editing but from what I have read over the last couple of months I would keep the OS off the Firewire drive and dedicated it to the capture of the digital image. If your 30Gig WD drive is giving you fits, get a new 7200RPM drive and dedicated that to your OS and software. If you look at the full Editing Stations offered at Canopus and other places there are separate discs as well.

Jon