56k streaming...tips please

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rhoderunner
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I recently added streaming to my web site. Each stream runs 30 minutes.
What is the best options for 56k streaming? I'm running it in windows media. My goal is to have the best quality picture possible for dial up people.
I'm not so much concerned about folk with high speed. If it was up to me I would ban all dial up, it's basically useless these days.

If you anybody would like to give me some tips that would be great. The link is rhodejourney.com. I set up two links for dial up.

I have viewed the dial up links from different comp and they all work. The 1024K is only for people with very high connection.

Thanks

rhoderunner
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Thanks for the great advice..hahahha

31 people looked at my post and not one person put their two cents in. Was the question so retarded? :)

harlequin
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no , just needs some thinking.
dial up streaming is not easy to do , nicely , and the pages with my test footage aren't accessible until 9th January , when i put my PC at work back online.

i also missed your link in the posting , but had a quick look at your footage , which i accessed the 56k thru my adsl account , and it looks good quality , if a little small.

streaming is not the easiest of things to get your head round , i've been working on it for best part of a year , and i think i have some ideas , but nothing i guarantee to work for everyone.

p.s. adding your location may help , since you are dealing with 30fps footage (NTSC) and creating streaming from that , whereas i am using 25fps ( UK ) and creating streaming from that.

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Chirpy
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rhoderunner wrote:
31 one people looked at my post and not one person put their two cents in. Was the question so retarded? :)

I wasn't one of those 31, but if I had been I'd have probably refrained from answering too. Why is that? I can only echo what Garry said: "streaming is not the easiest of things to get your head round". In fact I've never even attempted it. Rather than your question being "retarded", on the contrary the subject is way above my head so I didn't feel it was worth me making a comment. My apologies if you felt you were being snubbed.

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rhoderunner
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Window Media streaming vs Multi Media

Thanks for your input. I edit with Adobe 1.5 and they only give you one Windows Media streaming option for dial up under 56k. Maybe there is a better program for exporting for Window Media streaming?
Would I be better off using Adobe Multi Media rather that Window Media?
Its seems most of your big TV networks use it.

Example
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=1443064

Thanks for your input

harlequin
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If you forget about streaming , xvid is a good codec for video.

720x576 , is best encoded at a rate of approx 500meg per hour.
for the resolution you are using , approx 1/4 of above , you could encode at 2.5meg per minute.

they would have to download the file , but would have fairly high quality footage.

Gary MacKenzie

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DVdoctor
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I'm with Gary, I think if you have the viewers download you will find that it might work better. Sure the downside is the delay, but dial 56 is not only slow but also tends to be unreliable.

Has anyone tried video casting ie Podcasting video?

Thanks
John

ChrisH
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Hi Roadrunner
Your video looks and sounds good and funny too, however we usually limit the stream to 34kbs for 56k modems, even at that they can stutter, but compromise the image rather than the sound if you do drop it to 34kbs. Their are far more people round the world with 56k than their are broadband, so it's important to offer them. I really like low band streams, for me they have never been tv on the net, they have there own qualities, if you try to see them as TV they fail, if you see them as what they are, they feel like jewels, glimpses of the world for you, possibly the only person watching. They are much more intimate than the communal viewing world of TV.

As for the tech stuff we use cleaner XL which is excellent but not cheap, it will encode very quickly and with excellent quality all the main formats. For WMP you can get Windows Media Encoder free which will give you all the control you need.

One other point, we often encode the braodband options with the V7 codec as well as WM9 because a lot of people use office networks to surf, they are often older systems and network administrators don't bother upgrading the media players, so a huge part of your potential audience will only be able to hear the sound,( the WM9 Audio is backward compatible but not the video) So you might want to offer that option too. Obviously the v9 codec will give you better quality/ sec but it's worth the 'if you can't see video but can hear the sound click here' option.

rhoderunner
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Chris thanks for the help

Chris I may put up two options for 56K. One at 34kbs and one a bit higher, I have highspeed but I have checked my 56k stream on different pcs and it seems to work pretty well.

I'll have to make it to scotland sometime for a road trip.

Happy New Year