Access Denied. Big Brother - again

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Peter Stedman
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A few days ago I discussed with the organiser of a large Model Railway exhibition being staged in our local leisure centre over the Easter weekend, the possibility of doing a short documentary of the event. Idea well received.

Today, Good Friday, I called into the exhibition to tie up detail for Sunday. Gloom & Doom. Not allowed to bring camera in, only with prior written permission from the Council. As Council offices are now closed till Tuesday . . . .

Oh yes! we all know the reasons. . . Children, swimming pools etc. It appears that they have even put grills along the bottom of the changing rooms and cubicles. Just as if any dirty old video photographer would stoop that low. (Yes, the pun was intended). What can one say?
Pete

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i stick to the rule that any council area needs written permission and that takes a working week to get.

that way i don't get caught out by the ever increasing requests for permission.

i was wondering if anyone knows of any council which allows you to register with them as a 'trusted videographer' to get round this type of problem ?

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Peter Stedman
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Yes of course Gary. I know this subject has been aired at length on several occasions since I have started to meet you all, but I have to ask.

What about videoing your own kids in the Council recreation park etc. if Joe Bloggs's kids happen to be in the area at the same time . . . .? Is there no end to it all?
Pete

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quote:Originally posted by Peter Stedman:
What about videoing your own kids in the Council recreation park etc. if Joe Bloggs's kids happen to be in the area at the same time . . . .? Is there no end to it all?
Pete

don't get me wrong : i believe everyone has a right to film THEIR kids.
it's the problems of videoing OTHER PEOPLES kids that's the doozy.

i have been videoing stuff for schools etc for over 15 years, and boy is it getting harder to do.

we had a touring theatre group last year that wanted to take the footage we took and turn it into a cdrom that they would issue to all schools that took part and as publicity for other tours

they never collected the raw or editted footage : no explanation but i'm sure it was simple:

they forgot to get permission from all parents and all people who attended the workshops and showings.

without that they couldn't use the footage.

and we stated before we accepted the job , that they had to clear recording all rehearsal sessions etc and make sure all schools knew we were doing so.

the problem for councils is that they are scared of being sued if anyone arrested for any of the offences that reach papers these days , has footage of children shot on their premises and they didn't check that person out.

i think the only way round this would be if you could get an annual pass/license to record on council property, which i don't know about availability or if any council has thought of doing this.

me , i'm " lucky " , i don't have kids that i can't take photos/videos of , if i did , i'd probably be very angry too.

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PETERH
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Hi

My wife is A Guide leader/PR person & photographer for this area, & I sometimes video for them.
If there are going to be photo`s etc, You have to get permission slips signed by the Parents/Legal guardians, if the child is under 18, also captions etc, must not contain names, nights & places of meetings, of units etc. Nothing, however remote, that will allow the child to be identified. Some pictures have had to have girls faces pixelled out!! to be shown in displays about Guiding, in "Public" places.
Its a minefield.
Sometimes I think they`ve taken things too far, especially local councils.

Best Wishes..

Peter.

Peter Stedman
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Wow . . . I think just out of interest I will ask my council just what the situation is with them. Any idea what official I should aim at? Pete

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quote:Originally posted by Peter Stedman:
Wow . . . I think just out of interest I will ask my council just what the situation is with them. Any idea what official I should aim at? Pete

try 'leisure and recreation'
and if that doesn't work
'legal department'

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Peter Stedman
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My little brain got to work and wondered what I would say or ask of any council official.
I suppose I would want to know what they would want to know about ME for starters? Where would they get that info from etc? Would they issue me with a 'licence' or just be put on a list, and so on?
Mulling this over with a colleague in 'high place' he said on no account should I approach the council for I would most certainly get put on a list, but not the one I wanted. I would be put on a Black List as as possible trouble maker and so on.

His advice is "keep your head low, and any tasks that need council approval, get the organisers of the event to seek the permission". Perhaps he's right . . . .