Alternative to radio mics

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FreeFlow
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We all know what a pain in the backside radio mics can be, especially with new legislations and licensing requirements. With that in mind does anyone know of any good wireless mics that use other technologies such as Bluetooth, or that can even work on their own self contained wireless network?
 
I can find some but they are more consumer orientated. It seems odd to me that professional wireless mics haven't moved on. I have never invested in a radio mic due to all the faff should you dare to require a clean signal and not fall fowl of the authorities.
Wisz
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Re: Alternative to radio mics
I would quite like to see a plug in xlr sd card recorder, like the plug in wireless devices.

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DAVE M
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if you'd used some of the wireless miss 30 years ago, you'd hardly say they hadn't moved on.
 
It basic physics. there's only so much of the spectrum to go around and it has to be shared. bluetooth is a joke for any serious use
 
 The only real problem has been the recent (ish) pinching of the current/previous spectrum by HMG
 
 The best option is always a clean XLR feed via cable IMHO unless you NEED wireless.
 
i don't understand Wisz's comment unless it's a unit that somehow goes between the dynamic mic and a separate transmitter? It'd be big,  need power and upset the balance of the mic.
but there are loads of decent SD card recorders from zooms upwards.
Wisz
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I seldom use wireless myself and much prefer wired.
What I mean Dave is a plug-in recorder like the plug-in transmitters.
I can stick my Zoom H4n on the end of a mic, but it don't half look clumsy and makes my wrists ache after a while.

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DAVE M
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so why not use a lead?
Wisz
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The same reasons that people use wireless mics and those with built in recorders:
So you don't have to faff around with cables and finding convenient places to stick the recorder(s).
Of course if I win the lottery I will just replace all my existing mics with those ridiculously expensive mics with the  built in recorders wink.

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John Willett
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Re: Alternative to radio mics
FreeFlow wrote:
We all know what a pain in the backside radio mics can be, especially with new legislations and licensing requirements. With that in mind does anyone know of any good wireless mics that use other technologies such as Bluetooth, or that can even work on their own self contained wireless network?
 
I can find some but they are more consumer orientated. It seems odd to me that professional wireless mics haven't moved on. I have never invested in a radio mic due to all the faff should you dare to require a clean signal and not fall fowl of the authorities.
 
I don't find radio mics a pain at all - in fact it's easy.
 
The legal spec. has not changed for ages, but the quality has improved vastly over the years.
 
Licensing is easy - at least in the UK and the people who issue the licenses very helpful.
 
Licensing is vastly better than a free-for-all as you get much better quality.
 
Bluetooth is crap and causes latency delays.
 
All digital has delays - that's why digital radio mics took so long to come, because analogue was so much better.  Even now the digital radio mics that can equal or better analogue are a lot more expensive.
 
You really need a latency of less than 3ms for a radio mic and bluetooth is much longer than this.
 
I think that only the Sennheiser 9000 series radio really gets the latency down that far - for about £10,000 a channel I think.
 
If you don't like radio - use a cable.
 

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Medidox
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I bought a Line 6 radio mic system (4channels) for an installation that we work with. They work on the wifi frequencies and give really good performance.  No drop outs or anything and they have special technology to overcome other wifi signals.  The lavalier mic could be better but you can wire up your own, the only thing is they don't do a portable receiver, if they did it would be a killer product.
 
H and M Video
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"And if you’re confused by the license fees needed to operate an analog wireless system, don’t worry: Line 6 digital wireless systems eliminate that need. XD-V75 systems are fully FCC compliant and operate license free worldwide, from Hollywood to Tokyo".
 
Just checked out the link above and noticed this part of a statement.  Now, which way were they facing when when they made it? cheeky
 
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John Willett
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H and M Video wrote:
"And if you’re confused by the license fees needed to operate an analog wireless system, don’t worry: Line 6 digital wireless systems eliminate that need. XD-V75 systems are fully FCC compliant and operate license free worldwide, from Hollywood to Tokyo".
 
Just checked out the link above and noticed this part of a statement.  Now, which way were they facing when when they made it? cheeky
 
 
Sorry - this is misleading !!!
 
The licence is NOT for analogue wireless systems, it is for the frequency spectrum used - so, digital wireless systems also require a licence if they are in a radiomic. spectrum.
 
Line6 get round this because they use frequencies designed for other purposes and have to share those frequencies will all the other users of that spectrum.
 
So, using Bluetooth or WiFi spectrum the radiomic. can be licence-free - but the RF spec. will have to comply with the technical spec. for those bands and not the better radiomic. spec.
 

John
 
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