Hi people,
I have myself a G4 which has the wonderful firewire technology as standard. However is there any benefit in buying a separate firewire card, i.e. do they offer faster operation if using Premiere for example?
I just love the plug and play aspect of desktop video editing with Firewire. I have a PC too but I think desktop video editing is best delegated to the Apple.
I'd like to buy Premiere 6 full but I don't want to pay out the huge asking price when I can buy hardware with this package bundled. Anybody know where I can get a Mac copy of Premiere 6 bundled with some equipment for less than the cost of the software alone? I've seen the Pyro Platinum card for about 300 quid which includes P6 (for Mac I think).
No need for a seperate card for firewire on a G4. That would just complicate matters and not give you any benefit. And don't even think about Premiere - got for FCP2.0, which is the much superior product.
Graeme
Hi
Nattt is right no need for an additional firewire card. after all it is only a computer interface.
I agree FCP is better than premier.
The only card that you could add is the RTMac. with that and FCP 2 you have realtime effects.
cj
And interestingly, the RT Mac isn't a FireWire card either. It provides analogue I/O, but DV capture and output is still done with the G4's on-board FireWire port.
Cheers,
Pete
I've not had much chance to play with the Matrox RT card yet - other than install it and run the demo, but it seems quite nice. has anyone had more chance to use it?? I reckon I'll have a nice project to do on it soon though, and then I'll be able to really see what it's like.
In what ways is Final Cut Pro better than Premiere 6? It's a heck of a lot more money
FCP betters Premiere in many areas. Most importantly, you can easily work on longer projects, whereas premiere forces you to have only one timeline. The interface is better, hence quicker editing. It's just totally slicker throughout, making life much easier!!
Graeme
I agree, having had demos with both FCP and Premiere, FCP was a lot easier to use, cleaner and easier to view interface, and hardley any bugs compaired to the plaiged premeire (even premiere 6).
The BBC are converting to FCP2 instead of Avid in some departments. They have been editing wildlife programmes like the Simon King series on FCP for nearly 2 years now. The word is that FCP is a more industry standard pro editing package, Premiere is more consumer.
FCP cost more because it is simply the best DV editing package out there, it includes after effects, with Premiere you have to spend another £450 on that bringing the total price of Premeire and after effect to about the same as FCP2.
If you want an alternative to FCP because it is too expensive, look at either Cinestream or Media studio pro 6, both in my opinion are nicer to use and do the same as premiere.
It amazes me how people just latch on to Premeire as if it were the only editing package around when there are better programmes to be had like the above two.
You can get Cinestream for £250 (this programme used to be called EditDV and was designed for the Mac, coming out for PC afterwards, so is very stable).
Media studio pro 6 sells for £250 with EZdv card, then throw the card in the bin, better still give it away to someone on this forum.
The money's not an issue. Considering the expense of production and the time involved I wouldn't hesitate in spending an extra £500 for an easier life.
Does FCP 2 actually come with Adobe After Effects or does it just include effects LIKE those in After Effects?
I have not used FCP 2.0 but...
As far as I am aware FCP has its own set of After Effects type "effects" built in but FCP 2.0 also has better integration with After Effects which should mean you can import and export to and from etc. For more detailed info I would take a look at www.2-pop.com which is the unofficial FCP newsgroup and someone there will doubtlessly know the answers.
In the meantime if you do a search for one of my previous posts you will see that Tim Callaghan provided a link to a demo version of 1.25 which may be worth a look if you are serious.
Finally, if you do want to go for FCP 2.0 we can get if for you for £720 inc VAT and delivery (boffindirect.com)
Hope this helps.
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Considering a G4 533 Mp with FCP but currently...Abit KT7A, Athlon 1.2Ghz (200FSB) 512Mb PC133, 5Gb Sys partition, 80Gb Maxtor, 45Gb Maxtor, SB Live 5.1, Matrox G450 Dual Head, Win 2000 SP1, Prem 6, (currently test driving a DV Storm!).
FCP doesn't include after effects, but does allow you to do some of the things that you'd traditionally use after effects for. You can use After Effects filters within FCP though.
However, there is no substiute for After Effects other than After Effects itself. If you're into motion graphics, it's a great program to have.
Graeme
Just to point out that media studion pro 6 is for the PC not the Mac.
And personally from what i has seen it has nicked FCPs interface.
The Cheek
FCP has built in effects like after effects, but not exactly the same. FCP works better with Adobe after effects than Adobe Premiere does. Most people I know that use FCP don't bother with Adobe after effects, they use Pinnacle Commotion Pro, there is a DV version of this available now for about £600.
For your imformation the film "Gladiator" had all the special effects in the arena with the lions etc done on Pinacle Commotion Pro.
You get Commotion DV free with FCP. along with cinema 4D go, media cleaner ez for quicktime.
With FCP 2 you get all these plus QT 5 pro, and lots of other software. more info at www.apple.com
cj
quote:Originally posted by Morse:
For your imformation the film "Gladiator" had all the special effects in the arena with the lions etc done on Pinacle Commotion Pro.
Stop lying - it was men in Lion outfits 
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Currently considering a G4 with FCP and gearing up for my next shoot!