Canopus capture

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kissaki
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Hi

I have a real problem with the way canopus storm 2 splits large avi files into files which cannot be moved.

Please treat me as an idiot and explain exactly how I can work around this problem - what codecs to save files in what names etc...I work with very large video files and once made cannot move files from the HD.

In your article on Canopus 'lets Edit' you suggest a workaround. Please spell it out for me & hundreds of others who love canopus but are about to migrate to MagG5 because of this difficulty. I now have a whole array of HD's simply to keep files on!

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Kissaki

harlequin
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1. never fallen foul of the split avi files.
do you mean that premiere is doing that to you ?

2. there is a file/program on canopus website that allows moving of reference files.

3. i work with very large files daily as technical support to students and don't have these problems , especially since moving to edius.

4. i have posted my settings on this webboard before now , and can't get near my machine till tomorrow morning , so a quick search here may help you.

Gary MacKenzie

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Mad_mardy
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why really would you want to keep moving them?
can't you just put them where you want and leave them there?

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kissaki
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The reason I have to move them is I now have 12 hard drives & to have to keep buying more is ridiculous!

I use canopus's own editor & I believe even their new Lets Edit does the same thging with all files over 4gigabytes.

The videos are often upo to 3 hours long, so you can imagine the space taken up.

harlequin
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would almost be cheaper to buy a dsr-11 dvcam deck and back up your finished projects to dvcam tape.

or keep the timecode info and just recapture from the original tapes when you want to make a new version.

or split the timeline into 60 minute sections , save each section out to a seperate 60 minute dv tape and recombine when necessary.

Gary MacKenzie

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kissaki
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Gary

It sounds as though you may have some helpful info? I am running searches but if you have the time to be more specific??

Recording back onto tape is a poor second best option as I always need regular access to the video files on computer.

Mark M
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I think the issue here is that you are capturing reference AVI files rather than AVI2 files.
In the DVStorm Manual it tells you how to adjust these settings.
You will get a really good and knowledgable response to your questions at the Canopus DVStorm forum
http://forum.canopus.com/
and maybe even
http://forum.canopus.com/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=DVStorm

HTH

Mark

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harlequin
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sorry have been offline most of the day with a faulty hard-drive problem caused by network failure while system was writing data to local hard drive , from a network drive that suddenly wasn't there due to someone shutting down the server with no prior notice.

Mark M has certainly pointed you in the right direction.

Gary MacKenzie

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RichardB
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Dear Kissaki

I'm a bit confused as to what the problem is...

If you want to move files, you can either just ... well, move them, or use a utility like the canopus one, to move them in one go.

BUT, this isn't going to take up any less disk space, you'll still have 12 disks full. It won't reduce the size of the files.

Mark is right when he says its an AVI2 vs AVI ref problem, the Storm Card when capturing through Premiere creates reference AVIs. ie: it splits the file. Some cards don't do this.. eg the DV500 creates psudeo AVI2 files which are in one lump, but can be hard for other programs to recognise.

However, the point is, whether in one lump or split into reference, the files are the same size.
If you've got 12 disks worth of AVIs then... you've got 12 disks worth.
A three hour tape will take up 36 gigs, no matter how you capture it.

All I can suggest, if you don't want to off-load to tape (a perfectly good suggestion, and one which is to all intents and purposes lossless) then invest in a good file compressor... WinRAR perhaps? Although my gut feeling there is that you're opening a whole can of worms for when you decompress....

Let's do the math, a 120 gig HDD is £56, that will hold 10 hours of footage. Is that more or less than what you would pay for 10 miniDV tapes? About the same, I would say.

So, if it's about moving files, get a ref avi file mover, or just move the folder.
If its about storing files, buy yourself a caddy and a few more HDDs, or offload onto tape.
If you want to create space and live dangerously, compress with WinRAR.

Other than that, there's not a lot you can do, except marvel at the fact we can now bandy around concepts like '3 hour long captures' and consider 120 gig HDDs a cheap form of storage

Hth
Rb
(Who remembers saving to buy a 1 gig disk ,much to the amusement of colleagues who wondered how I would ever, EVER fill an entire Gigabyte.... and to anyone who thinks that makes me some type of old guffer, I'm only talking about, what? 10 years ago? At most?)