Capturing an Image

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Fergie
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Below is an image that I captured using my Epson 1260 scanner and I am looking for advice on how to do it better. I have tried using my digi camera but the results are even worse.
The problem is being caused by the medal being made from a very shinny silver metal.

(Oops, the actual size of the medal is 5cm wide)

               
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pin medal to wall long distance from digital camera ...... zoom in optically , and don't use flash

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Fergie
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Thanks Gary, I will try that tomorrow sometime. I hadn't thought of using a long shot.

               
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another idea would be a different background colour ......
piece of coloured card or even better cloth , probably blue or red.

have a look in a jewelers window to see what they offset silver aginst.

Gary MacKenzie

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The trick with this sort of stuff is to use a light tent and either flash/tungsten lighting from outside the tent. Black velvet or a plain white background is the best

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Bob Aldis
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A light tent is the best answer. There was also some spray that used to be used for the purpose of giving a soft glow to gold and silver, but that was about 30 years ago. The light tent should be satisfactory.

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Dave R Smith
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Hi Fergie,
It wouldn't solve your issue but may improve your current image.

I think you said you have Photoshop - it's often on other image editors.

'Levels' is an amazing tool and makes best use of the tonal range - especially when some images are predominantly light/dark and you want more control over where the tonal range is displayed.

From memory, the menu route is image/adjustments/levels (not 'auto levels').
Experiment with the top slider(left and right arrows) - to ensure that it's range only covers the part that has graph presence. Then tweak the middle arrow for light/dark bias.

Fergie
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Used the (hastily constructed) ‘tent’ idea. Camera hand held and on ‘micro’. Will need a larger lens hood to cut out reflections on edges of the medal. The colour of the metal is still far from ideal though.

               
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Fergie
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Zoom lens at maximum from about 6ft. Camera hand held. Image cropped from 17cm wide to 7cm. Slight tweak in ‘curves’ ‘unsharp mask’ set to 157. will try again using a tripod.

               
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Fergie
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Also with zoom lens from about 9ft

               
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harlequin
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that last one is pretty good .....

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Fergie
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Best of the bunch so far. I will have another go with a tripod and use the timer.

               
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Alan Craven
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Fergie, could you tell me how you manage to insert images into your posts, please? I have tried every trick I can think of, and get nowhere.

Fergie
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Create a website for yourself and post your own photo's onto it. When you've done that, your photo's will then have their own URL address, which you can then use to post them onto this forum via the wee yellow square in the toolbar of the 'reply to thread' menu. You should be able to open your own website here... http://members15.freewebs.com/

Hope I've explained that ok, but i'm sure some of our more knowledgeable members could/will have their own ideas

Cheers.

               
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Alan Craven
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Ah, so the images are not actually on this site then. I have always shied away from having my own site, but if that is what I have to do, then I will have a look at it. The only thing I am not sure of in your explanation is the "wee yellow square". I don't seem to have one on my toolbar , or does it appear only after you tell the system about your own site?

Many thanks for the advice, I will give it a go, as I say.

Your series of images of medals are very interesting in their differences, and they say the camera never lies!

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below this should be a window with 'post quick reply' and 'go advanced' button underneath it.

click 'go advanced'

you should now see

note yellow box with icon like a mountain in it.

Gary MacKenzie

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Fergie
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Interesting !.. I have never used that button, I usually just click on the 'post reply' button and it's the 'advanced' window that comes up.

Well at least it does on my computer.??

               
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R. Ferguson wrote:
Interesting !.. I have never used that button, I usually just click on the 'post reply' button and it's the 'advanced' window that comes up.

Well at least it does on my computer.??

you can set advanced as standard in your profile ... same as i do

Gary MacKenzie

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Alan Craven
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Nope, my Advanced window has no toolbar, and no graemlins to the right of the window, just the graemlins below the window.

Is this another advantage of living in Scotland? :)

I certainly want to emigrate from this country, but New Zealand would be my first place of choice, if only they would have me.

Alan Craven
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Got it! I had to edit my profile. I had the basic editor selected, presumably from when I signed up as I have no recollection of seeing it before. I now have Fergie's wee yellow button with a couple of volcanoes and the sun.

But I still have to put any images on a web site? I cannot simply copy and paste from Photoshop.

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you can insert any graphic from any website ( with permission from original website ) or you need to load yours to a website or server somewhere which allows you to then link to files.

there was an ability to add small graphics from your pc , but , it allowed too many people to upload files and with some web exploits relying on bad graphics files , was deemed to be a bit dangerous.

Gary MacKenzie

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Alan Craven
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That explains something i read in the FAQ section whilst trying to find a way of doing it. The bit that i edited in my profile also refers to three versions of the Advanced window, but there are only two in the drop down list.

Thanks (yet again) for your help. Now all I need is to pluck up the courage to create my own site.:eek:

Alan Craven
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OK Here goes. This is what I was trying to show Fergie a couple of days ago in relation to his shot of timber houses in Bergen:

http://www.geocities.com/alan.stablesgh@btinternet.com/photopagegotland.html

Oh dear not quite what I had in mind. At least the link works!

So what did I do wrong, I think I have the wrong king of site? I simply used what was on offer from my ISP.

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is done by using code: [IMG] http://www.geocities.com/alan.stablesgh@btinternet.com/084_gotland_-_visby_timber_house.jpg [/IMG]

what you do is right click on a photo on a website , properties , copy the shortcut url , then click the yellow button and paste the address into the space for it ......

Gary MacKenzie

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Alan Craven
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Got there in the end!

This is before free transform:

This is after free transform:

Sorry about being so dense, and sorry to Fergie for hijacking his thread!

Fergie
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I did try realigning the right side of the Bergen photo but it somehow or another made the photo look worse. Probably because making the edge of the photo vertical was making other vertical lines lean in towards the centre. The wall on the right did lean at an angle, there was nothing wrong with the actual photo re distortion.

Hijacking the thread :- No problem. It was nice to be able to try and help someone instead of being the one who is often asking for help. (As I am doing again today, on the Desktop Video - General thread.)

Cheers.

               
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Fergie
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Latest attempt after a great deal of trial and error shots.
This is what I think is the best so far. Thanks to Foxvideo for pointing out the website with both information on, and construction of a ‘light tent’.

Dave, Tried the 'Levels' adjustment but couldn't get the result I wanted and seemed to do better just using 'Curves'

Took the shot through a hole cut in the side of the tent, with the tripod mounted camera on micro. Had to angle the medal upwards as it was reflecting back shadows from the camera lens. But then it was reflecting back a white background that made the captured photo look very flat and bland. So I placed a piece of silver coated card just above the camera lens and that card being reflected by the medal has helped in creating the sort of photo that I had in mind.

Anyway, thanks for the help guys. I will probably have another go at it when I find the time but this will have to do for now.

(There’s bound to be a way to get it better though.:rolleyes: )

Cheers

               
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Fergie
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