Is Carling Black Label really that strong

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Keitht
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I sat down to watch a footy this evening; some game between Eng-er-land and a bunch of sausage eaters I understand. Things went as expected to start with, Eng-er-land one down after 5 minutes. But after 90 minutes, and I swear only 2 cans of lager, Eng-er-land had won 5-1. I can only assume that somebody had put some strange, hallucinogenic, substance in my drink so can somebody please tell me what the real score is. Even when I watch the news they seem to be saying Germany 1 Engl-er-land 5 and we all know that cant possibly really have happened.

Regards Keith

Stuart B-M
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Im sure "if a castaway can train a crab to act as an electricians mate, and then get it to work out on a tread mill, just for a "sniff" or this stuff,

Then its not inconcievable for it to have had the effects on you, that you have discribed, all i can say is be very careful when consuming it in the future.

Regards all.

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Keith,

I can only recommend that you drink some more of this fine liquid at 8.00pm. on Wednesday evening. Hopefully it will have the same effect.

Chirpy.

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Quote:
Originally posted by Keitht:
[B]I sat down to watch a footy this evening; some game between Eng-er-land and a bunch of sausage eaters I understand.

It is my understanding that you can’t use bad language on this forum yet you can be racist.

[This message has been edited by simonphw (edited 03 September 2001).]

simond83
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Why didn't the guy take the beers out of the fridge and just put them into the sea. That way he could have had the lobster a lot sooner and would have saved alot of that wasted time!

Keitht
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quote:Originally posted by simonphw:

Quote:
Originally posted by Keitht:
[B]I sat down to watch a footy this evening; some game between Eng-er-land and a bunch of sausage eaters I understand.

It is my understanding that you can’t use bad language on this forum yet you can be racist.

[This message has been edited by simonphw (edited 03 September 2001).]

Apologies for any perceived racism. I'll plead guilty to using national stereotypes. I was going to say 'Fat gutted, beer swilling types' but thought people might then get the impression that England were playing themselves !!

Regards Keith

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I'll freely admit to being racist when saying that my favourite beer is Belgian. Rochefort 10 is 11.3% alcohol and yet slips down so smoothly. Sadly, I've only two bottles left in the garage, so I might have to make another exploration trip soon to replenish stocks.

simonphw
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keitht it takes a big man to Apologie.
i dont really understand what you mean alun.when you say your proud to be a racist then talk about beer.strange you mainly put up sensible answers.
maybe the beer has gone to your head.

Chirpy
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To be a big man, the beer would have to go to your tummy.
Sorry...couldn't resist it.

Chirpy. (Born in Scotland. Welsh father. Maltese mum. Irish sister-in-law. Austrian, American, Indian and English brothers-in-law. Japanese Koi Carp -definately not racist.)

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quote:Originally posted by simonphw:
keitht it takes a big man to Apologie.
i dont really understand what you mean alun.when you say your proud to be a racist then talk about beer.strange you mainly put up sensible answers.
maybe the beer has gone to your head.

What's so racist about calling German's a bunch of sausage eaters? Being racist would indicate that one does not believe a person of another race has the same equality that that person beholds. In some instances this would appear to be true in England within certain groups, and I would label them prejudicial, but not quite racist, as German folk tend to fall in to the same category of ourselves.

Am I racist if I call some one from Holland 'cloggy' or Ireland 'paddy' or USA 'yank' or England 'POM'? Politically correct, I am not, but neither am I racist. There is sometimes a thin line between politically correct and racism, but we should use a sensible judgement before hailing somebody a racist.

Anyway, German's aren't like us 'they eat thier own children'

Tim

Keitht
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Ye Gods! (I'll probably have people complaining about blasphemy now). How can a light hearted comment get such a reaction. I'm hoping that all the responses were intended to be light hearted otherwise there are some sad people out there!
I totally agree with Tim about not being politically correct and hopefully never will be. I'm an Anglo-Scot. English father, Scottish mother, mother's forebears originally from Scandinavia so if I'm racist I'll have to beat myself up.
The frogs, sorry the French, refer to Brits as 'le rosbif' (the roast beef) but I don't hate them for that; plenty of other reasons but not that.
C'mon people - loosen up.

Keith

Regards Keith

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Here, here!

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Its just easy to say something like sausage eaters when it comes to Germans, paddy to a Irish man, but when you have friends that are from Norway and someone calls them sausage eaters because they weren’t chanting for England on a bus then get set upon then I will call people racist for using these terms.
Is golliwog acceptable to you as well? I know it didn’t start out as a racist name but it has became one that know offends people.
I’ve never really got involved in the Politically correctness thing I think you should know what’s right and wrong without getting stupid, but when it comes to football that is all it should be, a football match, even the television, newspaper adverts for the England Germany match made it out to be a battle, the war is over as I remember. And we did win the game (I wonder what would have been said if we’d lost?) so why turn an enjoyable moment into a name calling playground game.
National stereotypes, racism, cannot be disguised by saying it was a bit of harmful fun. These names may not be harmful to you but they may offend other people.
And if by standing up for my belief is sad then bring on the sadness.

Chirpy
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Actually guys, Simon is right. There was a time when a game of football was something entertaining which you could take your family along to see and enjoy. Now, with all the money, advertising and local and national pride involved, it can get quite ugly at times.

Quite often it's the media that are to blame for much of it. As Simon mentioned, the game was compared to winning a war when it is after all, just a game.

All the media end up doing is prolonging the hate caused by the war. Why sink to their (the media's) level.

Chirpy.

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Keitht
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OK. Now I think we really are getting silly. I accept the point about people getting beaten up for not supporting the right team but that happens between so called fans within all countries and no, it is not right. Those who get their kicks this way, pun intended, are all morons. I don't care if they are English, German, Turkish or from Mars. That doesn't make every use of a national nickname e.g. Jock, Taffy etc automatically a racial insult or slur.
Take a real life example. I met a friend of a friend once, he happens to come from New Zealand, and I couldn't remember his name when I next met my friend. I asked how his Kiwi mate was. I don't see that a racist any more than asking after his "mate from New Zealand".
My father served in the Air Force for many years and surname based nicknames were, and I suspect still are, commonplace. Smith's were Smudger for some reason, White became Chalkie etc. Now if you have a coloured serviceman with the surname White and you refer to him as Chalkie is that racist? I think not.
I'm not referring particularly to this thread when I say that I believe that we are in danger of the thought police running our lives. We certainly seem to be becoming a world of people looking for things to get upset about and then suing everybody in sight. A prime example of this is the question being raised about compensation for slavery 200 years ago. Slavery is wrong, no doubt about it but lets try taking this type of argument on further. Are the Scots going to sue the English for banning tartan, the bagpipes etc and the obvious, irreparable harm that has done to the Scottish psyche? How about every African tribe suing just about every other for the wars there over the centuries?
There are many more important things in this life than the use of racial stereotypes. England winning again tonight for one !!
By the way, if England had lost the Germany match nothing would have been said because we would have expected it.

Regards

Keith

P.S. I have no idea what Albanians eat.

PPS. This thread has moved an awful long way from a comment about the effects of alcohol whilst watching a football match.

Regards Keith

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Hear, Hear. Most, if not all humour derives from pointing out the peculiarities of one person or people over another, or your own peculiarities. Banter and leg pulling is all based on this as well. Of course it can be taken too far, but political correctness is making everyones skin so thin they're bleeding.

If anyone has ever been to Germany they will have noticed that, in general, they DO eat a larger proportion of sausages and sauerkraut in their diet than we do. That from our point of view is amusing. Without a doubt they find plenty of things to laugh at us about.

Paul

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Charles
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Many many years ago at school a teacher said to the class," Sticks and stones will break your bones BUT names will never hurt you" that i think has been forgotten over the years
just my 2p
Charles
A jock who will be watching Channel 5 tonight with the remote in hand

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Keitht
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Charles

You think you have a problem tonight. What about me, as I said earlier I'm an anglo-scot so want to watch all of both games !! For the record, any time Scotland play England I want to see England well and truly stuffed. (I can dream). But, whenever ANY UK team is playing ANY other nation I want the UK team to win

Regards Keith

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Keith,

Shut it, you haggis swilling, caber tossing, tartan wearing heretic!! and William Wallace was an inbred, cross dressing nancy boy!

Simon,

Getting upset about name calling that are laden with hate and prejudice is a fair thing, but banter will always be banter, no hate, no prejudice, 'just a little bit of harmeless fun' and if this upsets you, I suggest turning the sensitivity gain down a little bit. Never will violence be condoned, which isn't banter, it is hateful or moronic, but take away my banter, and I'll be the one who ends up the sad one.

Tim

simonphw
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if you had met a german person then forgot there name would you ask
"what was the name of that sausage eater i met the other day"

also i will remeber that i'm being too sensitive the next time i'm being thrown around the bus by a load of lads shouting jonnyforiegner at me and my friend.
sticks and stone do hurt so do names.
Takeing the mickey is one thing insults are another.humor is a very complicated thing and what one person finds funny another person doesnt is what makes it so interreting .The boundrys are different for every one in what they accept as banter and insults.so up yours the lot of ya!

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Nice piece of humour Keith.I can just see you sat there checking your can of lager as the score got higher.

Must have been brilliant watching it!

I was on holiday so I missed all the fun but I'll be glued to the box tonight.

Shame another good thread got spoilt.

Alan Roberts' chaos theory is vindicated for sure.

Red.

wacky.banana
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Keith,

Just a gentle reminder to watch the England-Albanian game tonight.

Please ensure you have stacks of Carling Black Label to hand in order to have the same effect on the boys as the last time.

When the game is over it would be great if you could start off another thread similar to this one. It should have the effect of:

a) provoking debate as has this thread and

b) proving the chaos theory recently put forward by (I think) Alan at work (apologies if it wasn't you Al).

Its such a shame that our society can be so polarised in its views at times, as epitomised by this thread.

Just watched the news and saw a pipe bomb thrown at a bunch of 4 year old girls making their way to school today. The absolute fear on the girls faces as they clung to their parents, literally for dear life, should bring the various contributions in this thread firmly into perspective.

Enjoy the game, one and all.

WB

simonphw
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oh what a shame a good thread been spoilt by poeple discussing different points of view arrdedums....
i thought that was the point !
and i saw the news with the little girls haveing to be taken to school with police protection.
got any good jokes on that anyone.

tim.callaghan
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Simon,

You gettin' thrown about a bus by some pillocks who think they are better than you is wrong. An insult is a directional verbal attack, please make note of the word attack, and this is also wrong. Making jokes of people of misfortune is immoral, and also wrong.

But, making a fun statement about a nation that are renound for eating brotwurst is just so not racist, it makes me wanna laugh the amount of attention this thread has recieved.

I've had bigger bantering sessions with my best pal Olaf Aretz, and judging by his name he's not a typical Yorkshire lad is he. We have fun talks, we slag each other off, we have a laugh, but we're still best of buds.

If I was stuck in the middle of Germany on a bus full of Germans with them throwing insults around at me, yes I'd feel intimidated at the prejudicial attack, who wouldn't. But if I was on a German message board where some one made a statement about Woolybacks or Pie Eaters, I wouldn't burst out crying and accusing people of being racist, as it's just stoopid!

Gees, next thing you're gonna tell me, is that intamacy between man and his hamster is immoral - Get a grip

Timbo

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wacky.banana
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Sorry Simon, no jokes on the bomb I'm afraid. Would be as crass as joking about you being picked on and beaten up on a bus for no reason.

WB

red
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Different points of view?

Englands on a football high and you call a bloke racist for an obvious joke.

Then as a final resort you bring Irish politics in to try and prove a point. Come on get real.

Might work in the pub but it won't work here.

Start your own thread on the subject instead of hi-jacking others. Then you will only get people who want to take part instead of forcing your own bugbears on innocents.

Red.

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quote:Originally posted by tim.callaghan:
Keith,

Shut it, you haggis swilling, caber tossing, tartan wearing heretic!! and William Wallace was an inbred, cross dressing nancy boy!

Tim

If you're going to try to insult me please get the culinary and historical aspects correct. (1) You can't 'swill' haggis coz it's not a liquid, it's made from sheeps internal bits wrapped in other unmentionables but very tasty. (2) William Wallace wasn't the cross dressing nancy boy, that was Bonnie Prince Charlie.

On a much more serious note, there is absolutely nothing funny about chucking pipe bombs, bricks, insults or anything else at kids. Ironically that problem isn't racial but (supposedly) religious. Best not get started on religion or this thread is likely to explode never mind flame.

I accept, to a point, Simon's observation about one man's humour etc. but at least that comment alone helps to emphasise the differences between national senses of humour. Surely that doesn't mean that because something may be lost in the translation, or mindset, we can't take the mickey out of each other. This world can be a pretty dour place as it is; without humour it could become unbearable.

Regard

Keith

P.S. It looks as if the Carling effect is wearing off.

[This message has been edited by Keitht (edited 06 September 2001).]

Regards Keith

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seems to me when its football its okay to make fun but when its the situation in ireland(i didnt see anybody useing the term paddy )then its wrong.
just to let you know i dont find the situation in ireland funny nor do i find zenophobic jokes funny either.
also me and my friends(from all over the place) take the mickey and slag each other of its because we know each other well and can call each other things that you woudnt say to a stranger.i woudnt dream of saying to a stranger what i call my mates its only because we have a good friendship and know each other well enough that we can say these thing to each other.
as for hijacking a thread get real,this is puplic forum where different points of veiw can be aired .and if i cant swear(which some poeple would find offensive)then why should poeple be able to be racist and zenophobic.
if you think its banter walk up to the next german you see and call him sausage eater walk up to the next black guy and call him a gollywog.its ok its only banter they dont mind were having a laff. i wonder how many would be offended i'm sure some woudnt,but thats the thing how do you know.how can you presume that on a puplic forum what is offensive and what isnt.

Keitht
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Simon,
For what it's worth I don't think you hijacked the post particularly. Off on a tangent yes but, as you say this is a public chat forum. I still think you are being a bit 'precious' over my reference to the culinary preferences of the German nation - as viewed from outside their borders - but that is your right. I DO agree that there is a big difference between banter and racial taunts. If you noticed, my description of the archetypal English football fan wasn't exactly flattering either.

Regards

Keith

Regards Keith

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kietht
i think it was because the england german game was seen as another chance in the media and the puplic view to make taunts and be generally offensive about another country,and seeing the same kind of attitude on this forum made me angry.
when really it is only a game and i know that football fans would say its more than a game but when your being attacked by idiots and it doesnt matter where they came from you can get a bit miffed.
also it just so happened that the term sausage eater was used by the gang of lads that went for us and i enjoy sausage and now i cant eat one without seeing fists comeing at me.

love and peace to one and all.

Keitht
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Simon

Once again we agree on much more than we differ. Football is only a game and if, like me, you support Scotland as well it can hardly be called a good game. From your last comments I can understand why the term I used is upsetting to you and I unreservedly apologise for contributing to that hurt.
May I asks where you do come from as I would assume from some of your previous posts that you are not from these shores. No racial subplot to the question, just interested.

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Keith

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Hello keitht
Thanks for your good words keitht I really do appreciate them.
I don’t mind you asking where I’m from. I’m from blighty herself, England. I didn’t mean to come over as being anti British far from it. I wouldn’t say I was proud to be British bit I don’t hate the place, it gets on your nerves sometimes but that’s also the thing I probably like about it as well.
You see racism in all countries from the colour of your skin your sex and religion. I just must be a hippy at heart as it would be good to get along.
To tell you truth I don’t even like football. General banter about each other’s teams is one thing but it does get out of hand a lot of the time and i've seen enough of that already.
One more thing free speech is a great thing and I agree that you have to accept all kinds of things if you want free speech but it also means you can stand up for the things you believe in and that’s one thing we can never loose.
simon.

Keitht
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Simon

You didn't come across as anti British. It's just that from the content of some of your posts I got the impression that you weren't a Brit. In one you said about being called a sausage eater and being beaten up. I assumed you were attacked by English fans.

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Keith

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Simon, Keith, you realise you two are going to be the best of buddies from now on don't you!

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So after all that, and returning to the original theme of this thread, 2-0 was a good result but what a scary way to get the points.

I blame Keith for not drinking enough Carling Black Label last night.

Just for the record my comments are meant to be light hearted and not offensive to anyone. Problem with the written word is that there aren't the human body language checks and balances to temper messages and get them across as intended.

Just being careful.

WB

Keitht
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WB. Sound comment about lack of body language in the written word. I've been in the doggy doo's at work before now due to somebody interpreting an e-mail message in a way that hadn't even crossed my mind. Surely the icons are intended to make up for the lack of inflection etc, at least in some small part.
Incidentally I like German sausages and most other variants too.
To return to the original post subject; yes 2-0 was a good result and result was all that mattered at the end of the day but, I do wish they didn't leave things so late, it's bad for my blood pressure. I have been told that alcohol is good for reducing blood pressure though. Maybe I'll try some lager...........

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Keith

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Good on you Keith. Keep taking the wet stuff.

All the very best to you.

WB

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My 2d'orth:

I know lots of Germans and they're lovely folk, we swap houses for holidays etc, and I'm off to Lubeck tomorrow morning. they don't fit any national stereotype any more than I do. The only stereotype that I fit into is that of the "mad scientist" (if the 5k party happens, you'll see why).

Football has now taken over the national stereotype market. It isn't a spectator sport any more, it's very big business and it encourages it's fans into tribal following. So any conflict runs the risk of a tribal war, such as we always see when England play abroad.

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i think the part about body language is very true.a lot of what we say depends on it and i think i was maybe a bit too sensitive, but football fans can get a bit over the top with there loyalty and it didnt help to explain i was from england when your being thrown around the top deck of a bus.
so at the end of the day we all sort of agree to disagree to disagree to sort of agree to not agree to well maybe we do ......

wacky.banana
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... and so, gentlemen, going back to the top, can we all raise our glasses and drink to that!

Regards to all...

WB

Keitht
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And on that note I think we can close the topic.

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Keith

Regards Keith

Chirpy
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I'll drink to that.

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