Check out your local video club!

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ChrisBitz
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I just thought I'd give every video club a plug here...

I recently joined my local Club, Orpington Video and Film Makers (OVFM) and I must confess I was a little concerned at what I might find, but I'm having a whale of a time...

There's a really vibrant film competition scene, having just finished the Kent Film Festival, not quite Cannes, but you get the idea....
Most clubs put in entries for various competitions throughout the year, and its a great way of using your cameras for more than family events and weddings!!

I'm just finishing my first collaberative effort at a 10 minute drama...(North Vs South Competition) shot in two days, with a crew including: 3 cameras, a director, someone to hold the mic, 3 proper actors, and someone yelling ACTION! and CUT! :)

It's really great fun, if you're not S.Spielberg, but want to give your input to a team effort, producing something, certainly in the realms of TV quality, that you can be really proud of!

Maybe other people can plug their local club here too?

Is there an Internet directory of clubs?

Or even a new topic area for clubs if there's enough interest?

Chris

neale
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for a list of clubs try www.keene.co.uk

Life is a drink so get drunk on life.

Gladders
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Try www.theiac.org.uk/iacframeset.html also. I keep meaning to join both the IAC and a club, but never get round to it. Any club members with comments on club membership, please?

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davideo0
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I'm a member of the Milton Keynes Camcorder club and can thoroughly recommend joining a club. There are usually plenty of interesting things going on. Competitions workshops, visits from other clubs etc etc.
But for sheer enjoyment eyeball contact with other people of similar interests can't be beaten. I've found many new friends as a result.
Incidentally, Gladders, the IAC is well worth belonging to. If only for the copyright free licence facility.

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tom hardwick
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Not only the copyright clearance but also for the bi-monthly magazine David. It just so happens that tom here has a couple of pages to himself once an issue, and I expound on all things moviemaking. And once you've joined (plug, plug) the mag comes free to your door.

tom.

Ron Chapman
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I help to run the Doncaster Video Group, www.dvgroup.co.uk we have just about converted all our members to the joys of computer editing.We have one member who is 74 years young and has taken to it like a duck to water.All are using the Pinnacle DC30 plus ( one supplied by Tom ) and Prem 5.1c.

New_Chrome
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Hmmm...

Never been one much for 'clubs' of any sort, however this thread has me interested. Years ago I joined a camera club (I had trained as a commercial photographer as a teenager) but felt somewhat 'cramped' creatively... The people did not really understand the kind of things I wanted to do... for example we were preparing pictures for an exhibition, and the theme was a sort of 'local' something or another. My submission was a portfolio of monochrome studies of garage doors emphasising; contrasts between new and old, damage and perfect, well-kept and dilapidated. When I presented it before the proposed exhibition they thought I was mad. I thought their 'tried-and-tested-formula' pictures (which mostly looked like local postcards) were tired and boring.

I left after five or six months, because all they seemed to want to do was hire some 'glamour' models for a session.

davideo0, can you tell me more about MK's club? Would they take to 'creative' input? I think I would like to perhaps get together with other film/videomakers to collaborate on projects and discuss things occasionally.

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davideo0
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Hi Chrome
Milton Keynes Camcorder Club meets every 3rd Tuesday of the month at "Centrecom" Milton Keynes. I believe there are at the moment about 30 members.

There is, as always, a certain nucleus of members who are more active than others in producing videos on a regular basis.
The membership is from a wide cross section of people and includes an ex BBC film producer.

New members are always sought after and I hope we would welcome some extra artistic input. Not too sure about garage doors but 'what the hell' there have been stranger subjects for a video.

Should you be interested, contact me by E-mail with your address and I'll get our PR man to contact you.

David

New_Chrome
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Thanks David,

I am really interested, however I will leave it till after Christmas as I'm busy this month (going to Las Vegas at the end of this week for Comdex) and next month I am also away during that time. I will email you my details nearer the time and you can get the PR guy to contact me.

What kind of productions do you get up to?

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chris thomas
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I'm wondering if there's any video/film making clubs in the Birmingham area?

Here's a couple of mailing lists I'm a member of, that you can subscribe to if you're interested:
NorthWest Film Makers: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/northwestfilm-makers
Central England Film/Video Producers: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/filmtvproducers

The lists have not long started, but there's a few members kicking about that are just dying to do stuff!

Chris.

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RVS
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Hi Chris,
Have a look here www.ssfm.co.uk for video clubs around Birmingham

ChrisBitz
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The film mentioned at the start of this thread was shown as part of the national "North Vs South" competition last Sunday... It didn't win, but the judges comments were very complimentary...

Just in case anyone's interested in seeing a £0 budget drama, I've posted it on the web at.. http://www.coulsonmedia.co.uk/ovfm.htm
they're not set up for streaming, so you'll have to download them before viewing, and the total film length is about 8 mins, and the video is in 3 smaller sections, for easy download, and about 6Mb in total...

Let me know if you like it!! :)

Peterpeter2_2
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Hello, I am wondering if anybody knows of any clubs around the Watford area?
St. Albans? or near?

malcolmwhiteley
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Hello.
I would just like to say it is well worth while joining a video club. I started to make films four years ago. I knew absolutely nothing about film making, after four years I was able to hold my own in any competition.
The recent competitions I have entered are The Cotswald international (silver cup and £70 presented by a television personality)
The IAC International (silver seal) The Guersey Lily (highly comended) And by the way our club was placed in the North V South (Pendle Waters) which got the audiences vote, these are just a few reasons why to join a video club and what can be learnt from them. I owe everything to our club and also this forum.
Mal.
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John Willett
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Mal,

Don't forget the British Amateur Recording Contest.

They have a video section, and winners are forwarded to the international contest.

For details see:- http://www.soundhunters.com/barc/index.html

John

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Martin B
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. . . and anyone keen to join a club in the Cambridgeshire area would be VERY welcome at the Cromwell Video Camera Club.

We meet in Hemingford Grey (just outside St Ives) on the first and third Tuesday evening of each month.

New blood, life and ideas especially welcome. Further details on request.

Martin

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davideo0
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Just a note for Peterpeter2_2

There's a very well established club at St Albans and I believe also one at Watford.
You'll get details from the I.A.C. site I believe.

You'll get get details of about thirty other clubs on my clubs links page at www.mkcamcorderclub.co.uk
But hey, if you'd like to travel a little further north to Milton Keynes Camcorder Club you'd be very welcome. You'll find details of our activities on the above website. The offer is open to anyone else too.

David

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Moviemad
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Camcorder Clubs seem to have a reputation of old men wearing Long raincoats.

and hiring Glamour models every third week
LOL

FerrymanR
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Only because us old men can't cope with glamour *every* week.

>>Camcorder Clubs seem to have a reputation of old men wearing Long raincoats.
and hiring Glamour models every third week

Richard

davideo0
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What an idea!

Typical of the sexually obsessed younger generation to make that type of accusation. I have yet to see a glamour model at our club although I'm sure some might think it a good idea as long as the script demanded it.
All in the best possible taste, of course.

I might even buy a long raincoat if that is a requirement.

David

Moviemad
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Nice to hear that at 44 I,m still the younger generation.

My comment was tongue in cheek, how-ever I went to a slideshow at a Local Photography club exibition a few years ago. and the slides were great,
but it was followed with a photo session with a so called Glamour model

(rough as bears backside)
and would not of wasted one Picture on her, even if I had my Camera. so It left me with the impresssion that Photo and Camcorder clubs are full of raincoat types.

davideo0
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You're forgiven Moviemad.
My comments too were "tongue in cheek"

You must remember that Photographic clubs are concerned only with the artistic merit of the sublime form. Whether or not the poor female is as rough as the proverbial is not the point.

Thinking about it,however, what were you doing going to a glamour model session with no camera? There can be only one answer to that. Did you take your dirty raincoat with you?

As Benny Hill might have said "oooooooh, she was BIG"

Enough of this, my pacemaker is catching fire.
David

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Generally camcorder and camera clubs are raincote types. I am based in Cambridgeshire and last year went to two meatings at a club near St. Ives (think its been mentioned on here already so don't take this personally guys)and it was nothing more than retired old men that had spent there retirement money on cheep mini DV gear.

Most of the stuff on show was rough, unedited holliday footage with very questionable sound indeed (on-board mics etc) and even more quetionable VO's, boared the hell out of me.

The second meeting was a compatition, I thought I was in for a treat, but no, just the same old holiday footage and the odd day out to the London Eye durge, and to add insult to injury, these people actually thought this stuff was the dogs-bollocks, I almost fell off my chair (well wooden school seat anyway).

Don't get me wrong folks, there is nothing wrong with these retired gentlemen having a bit of a social life twice a month, but please don't call them camcorder clubs as it is highly offensive.

As for Photography clubs, all the above still applys, being a professional photogapher myself 14 years back I joined a club thinking I could learn from more experienced photographers, nope, don't think so, just pervy types getting in some two-bit £25 an hour (so-called) glamour model in for half an hour so everyone can stand in a line and run off a roll of Kodacolour Gold (or equivelent dodgy film) then give themselves a pat on the back when they get the results back from Boots.

So for the photographers that this applies to, go read a Bob Carlos-Clarke book ("Shooting Sex" is a good place to start) and throw the John Hedgecow books away.

As for dodgy camcorder club presidents, go on a two day BBC training course (cost approx £500) any of them will do, for gods sake don't you have anything to aspire to except the dog and the beachball on the back lawn?

(Roll hatefull replys)

Moviemad
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Posted by Beethoven
"I joined a club thinking I could learn from more experienced photographers, nope, don't think so, just pervy types getting in some two-bit £25 an hour (so-called) glamour model in for half an hour so everyone can stand in a line and run off a roll of Kodacolour Gold (or equivelent dodgy film) then give themselves a pat on the back when they get the results back from Boots."

Most of the stuff on show was rough, unedited holliday footage with very questionable sound indeed (on-board mics etc) and even more quetionable VO's, boared the hell out of me.

The second meeting was a compatition, I thought I was in for a treat, but no, just the same old holiday footage and the odd day out to the London Eye durge, and to add insult to injury, these people actually thought this stuff was the dogs-bollocks, I almost fell off my chair (well wooden school seat anyway)."
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Come on Beethoven why dont you say what you really think. ha ha
I bet your 77 years old Life member.

Your "stand in a line and run off a roll of Kodacolour Gold" is exactly what happened on my visit to the slide exibition

'you were,nt their by any chance' LOL

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Martin B
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Okay Beethoven, it's pistols at F8 then!!!

I'm the Treasurer of the club you are probably referring to and regret I don't actually remember your visits. Obviously made quite an impact! Also checked the records I keep (hate to miss the opportunity to collect money) and can't find you there either but no matter.

A couple of points of fact though. Whether the stuff on show was rough or not is purely subjective but I can assure you that none of it was unedited. Again, you may prefer a different editing 'style' but you ought to get your facts right.

As for the competition and 'dogs-bollocks', I doubt that many of the guys would even understand what you mean - and all the chairs are plastic.

Now I'm sorry we offended you by calling ourselves a Camcorder Club but don't take that as being in any way apologetic about our Club. Yes, many of the members have been enjoying the hobby for a good few years but they still use and understand equipment that many would give their back teeth for.

To a man they are all also willing to welcome, entertain (to the best of their ability) and be hospitable to any visitor that happens to pop in. They also understand that club life is a two way affair. Shame you didn't stay to contribute or even give us the benefit of your views at the time.

Have a look at the last line of my posting above - I know what we need, pity you had nothing to offer!

Best regards,

Martin

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Martin

davideo0
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Well said Martin!

Beethoven quite obviously is just out for reactions.
Just for the record, holiday videos are usually the way that club newcomers take first steps in to the wonderful world of video/film making. It's the beginning not the end.

I imagine even Beethoven would have begun with something simple. The most difficult form of editing to my mind was when we started with only the domestic VCR and whatever camcorder was to hand.
These days a very high percentage of members have NLE systems and are quite capable of producing excellent films including dramas, comedies and the rest.

Most camcorder clubs these days have a range of expertise within their membership. Our own club has had a number of ex BBC personel.
Some with more than 30 years experience beginning with cine.

As far as equipment goes Beethoven's remarks about cheap mini dv cams amuse me.
True some members own the less expensive types but if he's saying that the cost of the camcorder is more important than imagination and flare then he should know better.
If cost really impresses you, Beethoven, some members in our club have professional cameras the cost of which would have bought 2 or three XL1s, which is what I believe you own

You may have a pricey typewriter butyou'll need more than that to write a book anyone else will want to read.

It is very easy to criticise, Beethoven, but if you are the expert you imply then an offer of advice and/or encouragement is always welcome.

However, I suspect that like most people who take a delight in the type of remarks you appear fond of, your ability to scoff at the efforts of others exceeds your ability to actually produce something.

David

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The first SIV I produced (also my first effort) sold £4000 via adverts in Practical Parenting magazine over a 4 month peroid. You know as well as I do David that these retired gentlemen are in it simply as a hobby and are never going to produce anything more than (roughly edeted on Cassy's) holliday footage.

Martin, the reason I'm not on your books is that if you remember you invited new members to attend two meatings for free and if they then wanted to attend a third they then started to pay the fees.

As for not making an impact, you woudn't of noticed as I was on the floor (behind the plastic chairs) in fits during my two (regretable) visits.

I did mention my dismay to another member at the time commenting that it wasn't my cup-of-tea.

Dave, as for expensive equipment, most people try to justify cheap gear and convince themselves that it is broadcast quality, (what is meant is that it is good enough to be broadcast, not broadcast quality, broadcast uses between 700 & 900 lines, XL1's & VX2000's etc are only 400 to 540, hence not up to it) because they can't afford a Digi-Beta or DVCpro50.

At least I admit the XL1 I use is a toy not even fit for weddings, but I am trying to find the buget for a DSR570ws with Fujinion lens.

And yes you are right when you say that the art comes from the user and not the equipment, but try telling this to Channel for or ITV and they will laugh at you, I'm affraid it has to be a very big combination of artistic skill and broadcast equipment, like cigerettes and alcohol, one is no good without the other.

"Beethoven quite obviously is just out for reactions".(Dave)

At last someone's got it !!!

davideo0
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While I have no desire to continue this rather silly extension of this thread, I would like to make a final point:

For someone (Beethoven) so patently from the “professional” side of video to so misjudge his requirements as to purchase a camcorder and admit “ the XL1 I use is a toy not even fit for weddings” is to display a lack of judgement that calls in question any other pronouncements he might make.

Rollover, Beethoven

David.

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For those interested, in the Cardiff area…..

There is a very active recording club there – majoring on sound, but also very active in the video field, so you can get the answers to most things.

And – the chairman is a broadcasting professional working for the BBC.
http://www.cdtrc.btinternet.co.uk/

John

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ChrisBitz
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Beethoven - I'd be fascinated to see some sort of proof with regards to your laughable claims as to "professionalism".

Have you watched Channel4 recently? maybe cable channels don't class as "broadcasting"?

A vast majority of documentaries on tv currently showing are clearly filmed using such "toys" as TRV 900s, and VX 1&2000s.

You only have to watch for reflections in shop windows, or look for shadows as the cameraperson moves around to clearly see that they're not using Beta equipment.

I'm glad you have nothing to do with my video club. Its a shame you're allowed to make such unpleasant and unconstuctive coments here too.

How about you try and say something constructive or helpful, or would that be beyond your intellect?

Anonymous

If what I am saying wasn't true it woudn't be bothering you so much, touch the bone did I ?
Trouble is there are too many sponges on this forum, you simply obsorb all the garbage I through at you. Shoudn't you be busy pretending to be film makers?

davideo0
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From ChrisBitz
"How about you try and say something constructive or helpful, or would that be beyond your intellect?"

Clearly, Chris, the answer is in the affirmative.

Now what were we talking about before we were so rudely interrupted ?

David

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quote:Originally posted by ChrisBitz:
--- snip --- A vast majority of documentaries on tv currently showing are clearly filmed using such "toys" as TRV 900s, and VX 1&2000s.

You only have to watch for reflections in shop windows, or look for shadows as the cameraperson moves around to clearly see that they're not using Beta equipment. --- snip ---

Sadly, broadcasting seems to be going down the drain nowadays.

Too many programmes seem to be being made on too low a budget by production personnel, rather than using professional camermen and sound recordists

I get many 'phone calls from people about to go out and shoot a programme who have no idea at all about how to use the equipment they are presented with - often on low cost semi-pro devices

It seems a shame that transmission quality seems to be falling so much when the viewer at home has equipment (very often) of very high quality and can see and hear things they never heard before

Getting off my hobby horse and sticking another pin into my wax model of Maggie Thatcher

John

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Keitht
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To the best of my knowledge this thread is entitled "Check out your local video club" not "Professional video clubs". I am not a member of any video clubs but have been a member of a number of camera clubs over the years. Members have ranged from total beginners with point & shoot, to those with years of experience and very expensive kit. The common denominator was an enjoyment of the medium and a willingness to share knowledge. Beethoven would scare away the beginners and sicken the experienced members with his arrogance. Clubs of all sorts will benefit from Beethovens absence and be the poorer for his attendance. He should remember that he hasn't always been the world's greatest videographer which is obviously the status he has now achieved. He could always start his own club exclusively for those who already know everything!!

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FerrymanR
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It would help if local video clubs made themselves known!!!
As an example: I searched the net (obvious start) for video or camcorder clubs in Kent and found none near Dover in the past two years. Libraries and other local activity information sources also failed.

Today I was involved in liaising with the police for a bomb search and seal operation prior to a couple of nights of Gurka music concert in a large hall on an MOD site. Also attending to set up their kit was a small group of people with microphones and cables everywhere who were also going to control lighting. THEN I SAW VIDEO CABLES! What's this for I asked - Oh, we are making a video of the concert - Who are you I asked - The Deal Video Club they answered! Now Deal is 8 miles from Dover But I never heard of them.
It would be so much easier to 'Check out your local video club' if local video clubs would PUBLICISE THEIR EXISTENCE! Or perhaps they just don't want members.
Richard
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davideo0
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The I.A.C. site is always a good bet for finding most camcorder clubs.
For the south east corner of England try www.fvi.org.uk/regions/seriacclubs.html

I think you'll find there is one in Dover.
David

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Billwill
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This post started off with a member of a video club praising the merits of belonging to one... and has had a post then upset/annoy a few senior members of some.

That's sad, but it's true to life. I am a member of Britain's oldest Cine & video club, and I have seen great benefits of being in one, and great examples of Beethovens observations also.

I feel that anyone with an interest in creating quality film/video projects and doesn't do it professionally, should be involved in the amateur scene- ie pick up the benefits of some peoples ideas, and reject the virtually unedited and boring holiday 'point & shoot at everything that either does or doesn't move' projects.

My own club is a very friendly place but sadly hasn't had a new member in the two years I've been there. Bar my son of 9, I'm the youngest member- I'm 37.

But I love making short comedy dramas via my dv500 and canon xm1,and the club have definetely helped me and enjoyed my work.

If video clubs can be more appealing, especially to creative people, probably like Beethoven then the future of this kind of social club is safe. If young people see us as a pre-retirement assessment centre with ideas and standards that our ancestors remember, well then, my Tuesday evenings are going to get lonely.

Billy

Billy Ellwood is on Vimeo http://www.newcastleaca.co.uk at the film club

Keitht
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What hacked me off most about Beethoven's comments was the blanket claims based on 2 visits to one club. As in all things there are good and bad. I was a member of a local camera club for a number of years but finally stopped attending because I didn't think I was learning anything new any more - at that club. It had change from being a good mix of competition and social to predominantly social with the odd competition thrown in in the hope that members like myself might stay. Nonetheless, over the years I had learnt a huge amount.
I paid one visit to another, larger camera club but didn't bother returning after being ignored all evening!! I made the effort to speak to people during the evening, but got the clear impression that, if you weren't already a member of one of the many cliques you weren't going to be welcomed.
My experiences don't make me an expert on all clubs. It does show that not all clubs suit all people. Look around and you will probably find something that does suit.

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FerrymanR
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Well, I tried e-mailing IAC which actually listed a 'Dover Camcorder Club' and got a reply that they don't know of one in Dover! The Deal video club has not replied to my e-mail.
Oh well....
Richard

col
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PRESTON MOVIE MAKERS

Every Thursday from 19.45 William Wilding Galloway Hall, Brackenbury Road, Fulwood Preston (off Lytham Road)

Near to the Withy Trees pub and Garage

We make movies, plenty of expertise and advice available, tech sessions, training

All welcome, even if you only want an evening out if you are in the area.

col