Cine film grade

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DanaVideo
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Another highlights clip for review. We added a 1970's cine style grade over the beach section as the vintage beach huts screamed for it. I know many are now using original cine film, but this is our attempt at recreating it using MBL. Hope you like it.

http://bit.ly/d5lvu8

tom hardwick
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I liked your film, the cutting to the beat, the imaginative povs and the pace; it never lets up. But oh dear, none of my 1970s Super-8 footage has that irregular staining and differential focus, and audiences never get to see it projected with spots, dust and hairs. I really feel that ciné film shouldn't just be portrayed as degraded video, it should be emphasising the unavoidable grain, splices and 18p motion of the era.

tom.

DanaVideo
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Thanks Tom - kind words and great advice. Now, how would you best simulate 18P cine stock using modern dslr footage? Drop the saturation and contrast, add slight flicker (drop the splotches, I agree!), add grain and maybe a slight vignette???

tom hardwick
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There you go Dana - equating genuine film with derogatory words like low saturation and contrast, flicker, grain and a slight vignette. Low saturation and grain? With Kodachrome 40? Vignette? With an Elmo GS1200?

18fps has a 48Hz projection flicker - so effectively it flickers as much as conventional 50Hz CRT TV sets that we've been watching for years. Yes, a 100Hz set looks smoother, but it takes an A/B test for most people to spot this.

There's really no substitute to shooting film - which is possibly why there are wedding filmmakers out there that do this. They then have 18 frames shot in every second, and these 18 different pictures are shown every second on their DVD. This gives the footage the characteristically staccato zooms and pans.

The Super-8 frame is just bigger than a 1/3" chip, so the dof characteristics are very similar. Cameras were predominantly silent and manual focus, had no image stabilisation and much shorter zooms. This should give you some clues to how your simulation should look.

tom.

branny
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I agree with Tom. I shot a lot on cine and the colours were far from desaturated. I'm always impressed how good the colours do look whenever I'm asked to do a transfer from 50 year old cine.
Sky TV do WWII and archive scenes in colour features, many shot on cine so take a look how good it can be.

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