cine to video

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stoo
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Ive been asked to transfer some old cine films to video. Once I have got a projector how exactly do I do this? At the moment Im planning on filming it off a wall, will this work or is there a proper way of doing it?

tom hardwick
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I don't know where to begin. I've been doing this work for many years and I'm still improving my technique, making every film look better than the last. Would you like my prices?

tom.

stoo
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thanks for replying, I also dont no where to begin. Im doing this as a favor im not actully getting paid, the whole idear of me doing it is that it dosent cost them any thing.

Jim Bird
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Hi,

There is a black box which has two orifices and a mirror.

You shine the projector into one orifice and point the camera into the other.

Focus the projector until the picture is really sharp and do the same with the camcorder, set the focus on both the devices manually.

Set the camera frame rate (shutter speed) to 1/50 if this is possible on your camera.

Leave the exposure on the camera set to auto in the first instance as most cine film has high contrasting pictures, that is the clips can be very bright one second and very dark the next.

If the footage does not suffer from high contrasting pictures, you may well be able to manually set the aperture on your camera and leave it there for the duration of the transfer. This is the least likely option.

The good thing about video is you can always tape over your first efforts, experiment until you’re happy.

The cine boxes are quite inexpensive £30.00 to £50.00 pounds.

The other way to do it, is to project the cine film on to a smooth white wall at a 45 deg angle and set the camcorder up at 45 deg to the same wall to record the footage, this means the angle between the projector and the camera is 90 degs.

Hope this is of some help.

Jim Bird.

Bob Aldis
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Jim would one of these cine boxes be better than a scanner at copying still slides.

BobA

Bob Aldis

Jim Bird
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Hi,

That I do not know, I dare say it would depend on the quality of the picture the camera is capable of producing. I’m sure a 3CCD or single chip Mega pixel camcorders would produce good results.

But that’s not to say a standard camera would not be good enough.

Jim Bird.

stoo
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Thanks for the advice, I will be trying this out as soon as I’ve found my projector, Id be interested in trying the black box so where can I buy one of these black box things?
Thanks
stoo

Jim Bird
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Hi,

I got mine form Hi-way Hi-fi I think they are called, they advertise in the Camcorder Mags.

Jim Bird.

A.Howkins
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I belong to an amateur video group and we have converted a lot of footage from cine to video. A lot of it has been 16mm black and white but more often now it is 8mm colour. (Subject is heritage and local history.)

We project onto a card and place the camera as close as possible to the projector to avoid parrelax and before we record we experiment with different colour cards until we find the best one for that particular piece of film. (This varies with the type of film used and the contrast setting of the film.) I have a range of cards - white, pale blue, light grey, buff etc. These are bought at the local stationary shop.

For 16mm I use a 3" lenz to get a small very bright picture and with the camera set at 1/50th I vary the apature as I project when necessary.

The results are very acceptable. Obviousy not as good as if they were scanned but we just could not afford the price with the hours of film we convert.

One of the benefits to us is that once on video it can be loaded onto a PC and edited, music and commentary added and sound effects if needed. I use Edition and find that correcting exposure is a doddle though I conseed you can not make a silk purse out of a sows ear!

Incidently, we have tried several versions of 'black box' but have always found the results dissapointing.

If you want any further info just let me know.

Howki.

stoo
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thanks for all the help and advice, Ill let you no how I get on

LesWinn
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Some months ago I enquired about Std.8 to video transfer. From a friend, (video professional), I once had some Std 8 transferred to VHS cassette. He used Van Doornen Innovision Glasscreen, a glass sandwich of parrafin wax to project onto, set at 90 degrees to a surface silvered mirror, for image reversal to Video camera. Unable to find a UK supplier I was told (via this medium) a Netherlands email address: stabilix.schreuder@hetnet.nl.(Credit cards not accepted; international money orders-yes). Cost in Euros 120+19%VAT+15 euros (Int MO). Projector needs speed adjustment to reduce any flicker.
Also HAMA do a converter box, about £80.
Refer also to R. Fergson's posting (18 postings) 24 Dec. 2003(Movie Mkg Tech)

[This message has been edited by Les Winn (edited 22 January 2004).]

Les