Cineform Neo Scene

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John H Jones
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I'm hoping Nigel Longman reads this message.

You mentioned this convertor on my previous thread. I have tried various UK retailers as listed on the Cineform web site but none appear to be stocking the product.

You said that you downloaded the software from Videguys but when I went to their site there is no mention of downloading this product. Could you please point me in the right direction.

John

Nigel Longman
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Here's a link

Hi John

Yep - I saw your thread and here's a link to the page on Videoguy's web site.

Do have a read of all the blurb before you take the plunge. I have found it works well with Vegas and my Canon HF100 footage.

Ordering is a little strange as when you go to check out delivery will be added to your bill. After querying this by email, Videoguys told me they process the order by hand and deduct the delivery charge. So you end up being charged the sterling equivalent of $99.95. They send you a download link by email which I found straightforward to use. If you feel uncomfortable with this convoluted procedure you can buy directly from Cineform here but the price is the full $129.

When installed the product has to be registered and activated.

Do make sure you click the correct link for MAC or PC :rolleyes: .

Good luck NL

John H Jones
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Thank you Nigel. I was following the check out procedure and got a bit concerned about their delivery charges and the fact there was no mention of a download.

John

P.S.
Just downloaded the trial version, I notice the conversion produces huge AVI files

Nigel Longman
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John H Jones wrote:
Just downloaded the trial version, I notice the conversion produces huge AVI files

Yes it can be quite surprising how big the files get. The way I think of it is that some of the detail has been put back into the video and so needs more storage space. The balancing factor of course is that because the detail is now in the files it doesn't need to be calculated by the processor whilst editing, thus lifting a heavy burden from the system and allowing a more responsive editing experience.

A quick comparison between some AVCHD files and the converted Cineform files shows that size a ratio of 1:10 is not unusual, although the ratio is quite variable - sometimes more, sometimes less. Presumably clip content is a major factor, particularly the level of subject movement in the shots.

I completely forgot that a trial version is available :o - good news for others that want to give it a try :) .

I hope everything goes well for you.

Regards NL

John H Jones
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Nigel,
Cineform works very well but I'm still not happy with the rendering and burning. How does your AVCHD look when you playback the DVD. The static shots are fine but panning seems to be a bit of a problem. Do you have a sort of judder effect from that type of shot ?

John

Nigel Longman
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Check field order and frame rate

Hi John

I'm very happy with the quality my DVDs - no juddering in sight.

Two possible causes for panning shots to judder are incorrect field order or recording in the 25p mode - or maybe a combination of both.

To test the field order you could try a test render of part of the video that exhibits the problem with the field order changed from the order you normally use.

To check whether you have the camera inadvertently set to 25p go to the 'frame rate' in the menu. 50i will give the smoothest motion, PF25 will give the 25 frames/sec movie look which can look jerky on fast pans. To fix this keep panning speed low or use 50i.

I hope that may be helpful.

Regards, Nigel

John H Jones
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Thank you Nigel.

John