DV cams

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pcarty
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Hi

Does anybody know what the difference is, with regards to performance,between the digital Sony cams 1000 and 900, excluding the enabled DV in?

Ken W
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Go to best.com/~beale/trv900 and look under the "users compare" heading. I'm sure you'll find what you want plus lots more on this site. see you in the next millenium.
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Ken W

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Here's my experience, owning a TRV900 and having used a VX1000, plus what I've read in various comparative reviews (see, for example, dv.com).

The VX1000 is a more 'professional' camera: it looks the part, and the ergonomics are rather better in terms of access to controls. The low-light performance is better because of the larger CCDs, but there's not a lot in it. Sound from the internal mike gets less motor noise than the TRV900 because it's raised up, but there's still not a lot in it.

The TRV900 has a slightly higher resolution than the VX1000 in good light, but again there's not much in it. Other than that it has a lot of features such as the LCD screen and the floppy adaptor which seem like gimmicks until you use them, and then you discover that they are actually useful. Some of the controls require faffing around in menus, but the only one that's annoying is the progressive scan: often you want to shoot video, then quickly switch to progressive scan to take a still, then switch back, for which a button (or an option saying "always use progressive scan for stills") would be much better.

So really, I think the best way to think of it is that the TRV900 is basically a VX1000 in a consumer-sized box. There are performance differences, but they're minor. It really comes down to which form factor you prefer and how much you value the DV-in.

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DVdoctor
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Some other points:

The VX1000 has a good reputation and alot of folks are very familiar with it. IMO it needs a replacement but so far Sony has not done so I don't see the TRV900 or the PD100 really as an alternative but that is neither here nor there.

The VX1000 has a weakness in the connection to the viewfinder, so be prepared over time to get this fixed, the mic Physical connection tends to break, I've had a capstan motor go out etc. But all in all pretty reliable (I had mine for 3 years)

TRV900/PD100(PAL versions)
a few extra features:
It will playback DVcam
It will playback NTSC tapes
VIA I-link it will record NTSC digitally
Progressive scan has been improved for better still image performance.

The LCD display is nice, the controls are a bit small, and the internal mic is useless.
Despite using 1/4 inch ccd's the electronics seems to produce a picture that is very close to the VX1000 and really hard to really call it better or worse.

With Either one if you are in the UK i'd make sure I got the extended warranty as you are bound to have some service requirements.

John Ferrick

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I wouldn't say the internal mike is useless; it certainly picks up camera noise, so it is pretty much useless if you're trying to record someone talking in a quiet room, but that's the kind of situation where you'd normally have plenty of time to set up a proper mike anyway. For documentary-style shooting in a normal noisy exterior it seems to be OK; the background noise more than covers up the camera noise.

BTW, one thing I have noticed is that DV cameras seem to make much more noise -- or at least more noticeable noise -- than my old Hi8; is this down to the faster head speed or something?

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DVdoctor
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You are correct the head is revolving at 9000 rpms so the noise level is pretty high. With the onboard mic you will notice that there is an active circut to try to cut the noise down. If you put your hand over the front of the mic you will see the difference.

Perhaps I'm being a bit harsh. I do think that providing a decent mic that cold be mounted on the hot shoe is not out of the question for Sony. Putting the mic down infront below the lens next to the manual focus rings IMO does not make much sense. If you look at the cost of integrating the mic, adding the active circut to make up for the noise adding the extra elements to pickup and cancel the noise etc. a nice reasonable quality mike could have been added.

Would it look as nice? NO, would it make the camcorder fit in as small a place? NO would it work better? you bet. My two hot buttons are dv and audio, so . . . .
John Ferrick

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Oh, I'd definitely agree that it doesn't
make much sense; the high-mounted mike on my old V600 was much more sensible and very rarely picked up camera noise. Unfortunately making sense doesn't seem to be a major issue in camcorder design these days...

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John Walsh
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It is interesting what you say about the on board mic and the viewfinder needing repair, for the Sony 1000 cameras. At the University, we have two DCR1000's and have already had these problems (2 yrs old).

Re on board mics, I would always encourage our students to use seperate mics, plugged in place of the camera mic. Even the most average £20 mic, placed near the subject, has to be sooo much better than the cheap rubbish camera mics 3 or more metres away.