that film look question again (well sort of)

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simonphw
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Some time ago I saw a post describing how to achieve a film look to your footage (I tried looking for the original post but couldn’t find it). It said:

I have recently had to match dv footage with telecined film footage. The QuickTime filter is a bit unsubtle and cheesy. The best match I got was by treating the footage as below.

1. Use "Film Grain.8bf" filter copied to premiere plugins from Photoshop 5 (If you have it)- use a low setting like 2depending on how subtle you want it.

2. Adjust gamma filter to suit look depending on original image contrast (1.2 - 1.4)

3. Adjust colour saturation (hue and sat) to fine tune.

4. Select Video/Field options to "always deinterlace" - this will make the movement less "electric". You shouldn't have to change frame rate unless you want a more jerky silent film look. Finally - tweak tweak tweak until you're happy. (It helps if you have some film reference material - either telecined or even a bitmap still you can open in another window for direct comparison.)

Now I tried to do it but when I copied the "Film Grain.8bf" filter to my premiere plugin folder I couldn’t find it in my filters. Is there a certain way to copy the folder in my plugin folder? Where would it appear? I tried restarting my computer but it still wasn’t there.
Any help or advice on this subject would be great.

Simon.

simonphw
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so nobody knows the correct way of putting a filter in the plugins folder?

Gladders
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Sorry, Simon. The only time I copied a filter from Photoshop to Premiere it appeared in the Premiere filter list. No idea why yours doesn't. It was a while back, but I think I just Dragged and dropped in the folder.

Paul

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simonphw
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cheers i will try it again

simonphw
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quote:Originally posted by Gladders:
Sorry, Simon. The only time I copied a filter from Photoshop to Premiere it appeared in the Premiere filter list. No idea why yours doesn't. It was a while back, but I think I just Dragged and dropped in the folder.

Paul

does it make any differende which versions you have ?
i have premiere 5.1c but photoshop 6.
would this maybe be the reason that it didnt work?

Gladders
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Sorry, Simon, I really don't know. I suspect that may be the problem. I only have Photoshop 4 LE which came with my Premiere.

I must admit I still find Photoshop to be the most unfriendly bit of software I have ever encountered. Every now and then I will have a little play with it but have never really come to grips with it. It seems to have a mind of its own, creating new layers at the drop of a hat. I have even bought manuals, but none of them seem to explain the fundimentals, they all assume you know the basics. Sorry, I've strayed off your topic.

Can anyone else help Simon?

Paul

Paul

David Haynes
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Hi Simon,

Not much help I know....but simple copy should work. I have copied several filters from Photoshop to Prem 5.1c just by copy and paste to the prem plug-ins subdirectory.
You do need to restart prem to pick them up in the filters list but then you've done that by rebooting the machine....

Mine were from Photoshop 5.5 rather than 6 but the principle should be the same and probably the filter file is exactly the same anyway.

Adobe products often have the option to change plugins directory locations to non-default ones but don't know if prem does this or not - I've always used defaults.

The filmgrain filter also works the same in either QT or AVI editing modes so I guess it's not that.

If you still have no luck then send me an email and I'll attach the Photoshop 5.5 filmgrain filter in reply so you can try with that.

David

simonphw
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cheers david i will have another try today

simonphw
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hello david
had no luck with the copy and paste. i restarted the computer aswell but it still wasnt there.if you could still send me that file that would be great.
my email is
simon_phw@hotmail.com
cheers for the help and i will let you know how i get on.

Alan Roberts at work
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I was once sitting in a grading suite in West London, having an HDTV sequence graded by an expert (real time, hardware method) to make it look like 35mm film. He was in full flow and having a good morning. After a little while, I asked him exactly what he was doing and why, he drew breath and said something like "I'm making it look nice". I asked exactly what that meant in real terms, and he said something like "when grading, it doesn't really matter what you do, as long as you do something". He chuckled and I laughed. His point was that the customer will happily pay for an expert process, but will object to being told thgere's nothing to do. So the grader is always going to do something to it.

Life's like that.

[This message has been edited by Alan Roberts at work (edited 07 September 2001).]

simonphw
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at last it works. cheers for sending it me david it must of been because i have photoshop 6.just copyed it in didnt even have to restart my computer. had a quick look and realised what i allready knew that if you want it to look like then...use film.but it's still looks ok as long as you dont go too mad with it.
once again cheers for the help.