Forget Premiere 6 for now

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JoePaz
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Well, since my brother-in-law works for Adobe, he got me a free copy of Premiere 6. So just for the heck of it, I thought I'd uninstall Premiere 5.1c and the Dv.now AV software and load everything up with Premiere 6. Install worked fine, but once I launched Premiere 6, the problems began. All clips are loaded with a pixel ratio of 2.831:1, whereas it should be 0.9:1. Not a big problem as you can reset the ratio on a clip by clip basis. Dropped in a few crossfades and went to preview - nothing happened. Tried changing a few settings like overlay, checked to make sure all the project settings were correct - still nothing. Tried starting a new FAST DV project and importing the clips - same thing for the most part. I did get some output, but the timeline would stop at the end of the first clip. Scrubbing after that point just showed a black screen. So I guess FAST-Dazzle support was right. We'll have to hold off until they have the new Premiere 6 drivers. And I guess there's no point in harping them for the Premiere upgrade for the time being either.

dpalomaki
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I recall reading on the dazzle.bcastvideo forums that the Premiere 6 upgrade and related drivers for DV.noaAV should be available by March. But maybe my memory is a bit off.

JoePaz
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Yes, that's right. Olaf from tech support had said the 1.6 drivers would be available in March. I figured I'd give it a try anyway since I had Premiere 6. I wonder why Fast went the route of a non-standard Windows codec in the first place. I can't use my version of After Effects because the the codec doesn't show up. This is one of the reasons I wanted to try out Premiere 6, since it allows the use of AE plugins.

Mike D
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Joe,
If memory serves, the DV Now.AV worked perfectly with the Premiere 6 beta. I wonder what changed? I believe it was Brett Adams over on the bcast board who brought this to my attention. I remember trying it briefly (because my copy of the beta expired) and it worked great. Maybe you could try re-installing it and see if it works again?

JoePaz
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Sure Mike, I'll give it another try. Did you have any problems at all with the beta? Did you have to set up or do anything different in 6 than you had to do in 5.1? I just captured 3 clips, had it launch Premiere with the alternating clips having a 1 second overlap, then dropped 2 crossfades where they intersected. The first and last clips were on Video1, and the second clip was on Video1B. Went to do a preview, and had it do a few different things the couple times I tried it. Best I got was it rendered the crossfades, then played through the first 2 clips before stopping (workspace was the entire project), but the audio and video was screwed up. While the timeline was going through the second clip, the output monitor was playing the third clip. It seemed like it just wouldn't play anything that was on Video1B on the timeline. Most times it wouldn't even render the crossfades, and nothing happened at all - no preview. Maybe I'm just doing something wrong in 6?

Mike D
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Okay.. try re-installing premiere 6, and QT4. then install the latest Fast software/drivers.. I'll test it tonight with my copy of Premiere 6.

Mike D
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Just a FYI, my copy of Premiere 6 is for *testing* purposes only. If it works, I'll bug Fast for the upgrade, or buy the upgrade from Adobe (only if it works really well.. hehe)

JoePaz
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OK, seems like I've got it working. What I have to do is after launching Premiere 6 from FF, I have to save the project, exit Premiere, then start up Premiere again and reload the project. It might have something to do with the project FF is creating being a version 5.1 project. I've read on rec.video.desktop of people having problems loading version 5.1 projects. If I don't exit and reload, Premiere won't even try rendering the transitions. Once its saved, I guess its a version 6 project, so everything's ok.

JoePaz
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Forget it, I give up. Sometimes it works, most times it doesn't. I get it working, save the project, exit. When I reload it, its garbage - portions with no video, stopping in the middle of playback. If you can get it to work Mike, more power to you. I'll just wait until March. I promise this will be the last you hear on this from me.

badams
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Yeah I'm expecting my full copy of prem6.0 real soon so I'll play with it. 6.0 beta was great.

Mike D
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I'm sure it's frustrating... I'll mess with it shortly. If i have similar problems, I'll also just wait until Fast releases a fix, or new drivers. Thanks for the effort Joe.

Mike D
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Okay... I've been working with Premiere 6 tonight, and must be lucky or something. Everything works! I had to re-render my timeline after importing a 5.1 project I was working on, and also had to set output to analog (don't have a DV cam yet). But so far so good.. Now to install that *ahem* patch someone sent me to test audio with NTSC... hehe Other than the fact that my system wouldn't see the DV Now.AV until I uninstalled the software, and removed all "Fast Multimedia" keys from the registry (twice I might add) it's pretty much worked just like Premiere 5.1c only better!.. hehe
Next I'll try exporting to Cleaner 5 and see if it sees the .dif files properly. It wouldn't work with them in 5.1c

JoePaz
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See, you shouldn't have told me that, Mike. Now I'll be spending the next week trying to get it to work on my machine. I'm not the kind of person that can let someting like this go. Guess it's going to be a late night...

Joe

Mike D
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I need to correct myself. Seems I spoke too soon. I can't get it to output off the timeline in Premiere 6. The scrubbing is fine, and everything else including Cleaner export is working great. But it seems i can't play off of the timeline even after re-rendering the project. I just tested cleaner, and exported my music video to windows media, and it workes great! You can see my video at my site: http://www.rizzosoundpacks.com
I have both 56K and broadband friendly versions there as well as the MP3. Check it out.

Mike D
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Oh.. I love premiere 6. I sure hope they can at least update the drivers to make it work as well as Premiere 5.1c Even if we can't get the free upgrade, I'd at least like to be able to use Premiere 6 if I buy it.

badams
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Mike,Tell us more about this NTSC audio patch!

JoePaz
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Brett,

Check you mail.

Joe

Mike D
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Yeah.. it works great Joe.. hehe.. Oh.. I finally had to uninstall Prem 6 as it wouldn't output from the timeline. Man, I'm gunna go nuts waiting for a patch so I can use it again.. hehe

JoePaz
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Hey Mike,
If you want to use Premiere 6 now, just uninstall the DV.now AV software. When you reboot, let Windows install the TI 1394 driver and cancel the other 2 prompts for the PCI Multimedia Devices. What you've got now is your standard OHCI compliant 1394 card. Set up Premiere to use the DV Capture driver, and you're all set. Of course it's no different than a $99 Firewire card, and you lose the speed of that nice FAST codec, but it works perfectly in Premiere 6. And of course, you won't be able to use the analog ins either, so you have to take that into consideration. I think I might just leave it this way until the 1.6 drivers come out. Premiere 6 is just too good an upgrade to leave in the box. Give it a try.

Joe

[This message has been edited by JoePaz (edited 12 January 2001).]

Mike D
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I'd do that Joe, *if * I had a DV cam. as it stands I have an excellent Hi-8 cam (canon L2), and am currently saving for a JVC GY-500 DV cam.
Thanks for the info though!