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rjpobrien
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Hi,

Well this "Review My Work" section has become a favourite of mine and I have enjoyed seeing lots of your work and commenting on it (hopefully constructively). I've finally got round to putting something of mine up and I would be interested to hear what anyone has to say about it. It is an introduction for a couple of interviews being shown to some students. They were a bit boring and so I did this to try and grab the attention of the viewers at the beginning and to make it a bit more interesting. I have got a low quality version at 4MB and a slightly higher quality version at 12MB.

richardobrien.co.uk/review/introlow.wmv

richardobrien.co.uk/review/introhigh.wmv

Thanks in advance,

Richard

Slight Disclaimer: The company featured in the sequence are in no way affiliated with this.

Richard

hedleyw
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Thanks for sharing, Richard. Ideally could have been a tad shorter, though I guess you are stuck with the length of the music track unless you trim some off the front?

Liked the cuts to drum beats though I think a couple were slightly off? Perhaps the zooms and pans were a little overdone and could have been interspersed with some different angles - low level, wa looking up, cu etc. End shot works well.

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branny
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I too liked the cuts - the only way with this track, which is "Also Sprach Zarathustra" - I've been chasing copyright clearance for this and just been quoted £195 + vat for 2 minutes. There was a couple of clicks like the needle was sticking on the record though. I'm sure you (would'nt we all) would like to go back and film it differently. I hope you don't mind an honest opinion, but there were too many pull backs and vague pans, though this could have been the media player playback stutter. A nice choice of music and I'm sure it set the mood ok.

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rjpobrien
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Thanks for your commentss. I definitely want honest opinions, if I wanted to be told how good it is I'd show it to my family! So thanks.

I have already taken as much as I could off the beginning without it being, what I thought, was too obvious but I do see your point about it possibly being too long. I would also agree with you about some beats being slightly off. Unfortunately I was under a time constraint and this sequence was surplus to requirement and so I left it (I would have sorted it if I was being paid though!) I do see though that if I was doing this professionally this would not be ok so thanks for making a point about it.

I have only just noticed the clicking and can't work out what it is. I don't think it was on the original but I will check later. Sorry about that.

With regards to the filming. I filmed about 1/2 of it. I like the idea about adding different angles to it and see what you mean about the zoom's and pans. I reckon I should have kept 1 zoom back in and got rid of the pans. What do you think? The only thing I can say in my defence was that there was a lot less footage than I originally hoped for (I wasn't meant to film at all, only edit but in the end I had to) and also it seemed to work at the time but I see what you mean now, point taken!

Thanks again for your comments. In my opinion it is the best way to improve so I'm very grateful. If anyone else wants to add anything please do.

Richard

nash
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Richard,
It would help me if I know the context this was being filmed in.

On the Up side, Music is always strong and well cut at the beginning (in the main).

If it was a corporate ad for the company featured then I missed it. If it was a lifestyle piece to do with corporate life then it wasn't dynamic enough, in that the pans and zooms were too slow.

It IMO, would benefit from close ups and Dutch angles (we like dutch angles) ;-) and overlapping translucent cross fade transitions.

If I add people in the shot that I'm capturing then I want them interesting / dynamic / slo-mo or all of the above. Someone walking across the road dressed for winter doesn't do it for me.

I don't mean to be harsh so please take it in the spirirt to which it was intended.

Thats for posting............Neil

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rjpobrien
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Neil - thanks for your input.

I am currently a student doing some work at the company and originally someone suggested that to help explain what the company does and what its like etc to the next lot of students that we film a couple of interviews to try and convey this information across. If the truth is told it was really an excuse for some people to play around with a camera and to justify it by showing a productive end product. I offered my editing services and the use of my camera. What came back was not enough and not that good so I re shot about half of that sequence and all the interviews and then edited it with the "director". It was boring and so I suggested that I do something like this to add a bit of flare or excitement to what was otherwise 2 people just talking for 10 minutes. From what you are saying it didn't really achieve this as it wasn't dynamic enough. I think this is really down. to a) my lack of imagination and creativity and b) time. At least I can only improve for next time.

I hope this explains the background a bit better. It doesn't seem to fit that well in either category that you describe as in a way it is part of something bigger that tries to do both. this could be one of the problems in itself - no clear purpose.

Out of interest what would you get close ups of or is it just a general suggestion (I think you are right now you mention it and would do this in future). I'm not sure I would incorporate dutch angles though as personally I don't like them. This might be the wrong decision and so I would value any more opinions on this and thanks for the suggestion anyway. I might try it in future anyway just to experiment even if I don't use it.

I completely agree with your point about people in the shot being dynamic and think slow-mo could work here. What would you suggest in its place (hypothetically as I didn't have enough footage anyway but helps for future work)

Thanks for your input. It is appreciated and definitely taken in the spirit intended!

Richard

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Richard, as an introduction to a larger piece I think it works well. The cuts to the drums seem fine to me - perhaps a couple are a few frames out but I doubt anyone in an 'ordinary' audience will see this. I'd have been inclined to get some more dramatic shots of those lovely Malvern hills in the background with buildings in the extreme foreground - get the wide angle out. I don't think it's that important to show 'whole' buildings, no-one really cares what the bricks and mortar look like unless there's a particularly odd or beautiful building.

In my opinion people in training videos can be a bit of a pain. These things tend to be used for many, many years and it's very easy for a production to become dated by the people. How many of us have watched a guy in flares showing us how to pick up a box? The solution is to try and get 'generic' styles in the people you see, avoid shots of cars, mobile phones or anything that can date. This is REALLY picky but it's just something else to consider.

I also think that 'corporate' videos often tend to look like exactly that and can be spotted a mile away so I'd be inclined to sit down and think about how the BBC or ITV would do a documentary on the company. I think you'd quickly realise they wouldn't start with the opening you have here. Where I have seen such an opening on network TV it tends to be as a leader for a 'jokey' piece - the dramatic music being the opening for a piece on something very mundane or weird. Given the nature of Qinetiqs work I doubt that'd be appropriate.

It's really difficult to say anything else without knowing where the whole thing is 'going' in terms of its presentation and style.

Jon

nash
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Richard,
By way of an example of what I mean about close ups and dynamic camera angles take a look at a BBC or ITV sports montage or BBC trail for a programme. They tend to have segways of scenes which don't give too much away and tend to be fast moving and interesting. They give a falour of, not only the product (programme, place, product) but also how it fits in it's surroundings. In your example how the company Qinetiqs fits in around the landscape. I'm thinking extreme close up of the company name (not necassarily showing the whole name) at an angle with some colour work (bleach by pass or the like if able) cutting to hills, and some feature(s) of it. Blimey, hark at me!

Hope that gives some idea of what I mean.

Also totally agree with Shelgrips comments about dating the piece.

.....Neil

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rjpobrien
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Thanks for all your comments. Some really good stuff for me to work on so thank you very much. Its great the things you notice when someone else points it out to you. It may be a little while before I have anything else to put up for review but when I do hopefully you will be able to see the improvements and give me some more pointers.

Thanks again everyone.

Richard

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my 2c:

1) I see the name of the company but am not clear as it what it actually does. I know you panned over some indoor posters - the foyer? - but was not reading the text

2) to give as flavour of life there, show some of the people, and how they relate / enjoy working at the company. Not interviews, but at the moment, video is all buildings and other structures. Not personal. Could get some shots of personnel horsing around?
If not enough time, could always use the (currently popular) 24 PIP effect to show more aspects.

3) for next project, get a head for the tripod with oil damping, rather than teflon. will make a substantial difference to the 'slickness' the pans.

4) storyboard the project more. Not that one has to stick to it, but to create the story - esp as being told in such a short time. Helps make the piece tighter.

Good of you to put your stuff up. Keep on at it!

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rjpobrien
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Thanks Fuddam.

I already have my sights set on a new tripod. In fact I am looking to get a lot of new equipment once finances allow and so will probably be reading lots of threads here and asking plenty of questions!

Just to clear a few things up. This sequence isn't meant to convey anything about the company. It is just an introduction to the rest of the video that does this. I couldn't agree more about the need to storyboard more (with the rest of the video as well) and if I ever do anything vaguely "corporate" again then I will definitely be doing things differently. With all the advice everyone has given I feel that I will be much better prepared.

Thanks for all your help.

Richard