Motion menus

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CastleFilms
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Anyone bother rendering out motion menus with the custom footage for the DVD?

The time it takes to do all this...I'm making no money at it.

Lusky
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I can have a motion/video menu from scratch to completely encoded in under half an hour. what are you doing? what kind of menus are you making?

John Paul

CastleFilms
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I like these custom templates http://precomposed.com/ in Adobe CS5. They are very good quality, but the job is very fiddly.

johnd
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I have done a motion background using a cutaway shot in the church - usually of the flowers - for a few wedding dvd menus; I like them and think they enhance and personalise the overall presentation, though I've never had any feedback from the customers.
Most of punter level DVD creation programs seem to let you create these with minimal fuss so it's not too much of a task

colin rowe
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Which NLE and DVD authoring progs are you using? I have a dozen or so menu templates that I made up in AE and Photoshop, for use in Encore. Takes a while to get them to my liking, but once done you can simply drop them into your authoring programme and adjust names, content etc. Bit of work beforehand, but very straightforward once you have them built

Colin Rowe

CastleFilms
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I don't know if I'm too slow, but I will often spend a full day on this.

red
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"I don't know if I'm too slow, but I will often spend a full day on this"

Shouldn't that have read "Lusky, I need to talk to you"

He does it half an hr....!

Arthur.S
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I create a couple of templates at the start of the season, then just replace the footage and names in Vegas. May take a few hours for the original, but then takes about 30 mins per job after that. Really struggling to work out how it can take a whole day!!

CastleFilms
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I've been modifying the precomposed templates in adobe creative suite. Really pleased with the results, but I'm spending too much time on the project for what I'm charging.

nigelbb
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The question to ask yourself is whether your customer's pleasure & appreciation of these motion menus warrants expending so much time. Personally I dislike them & don't use them as a I feel that simple motion background is quite flash enough.They are OK the very first time that you see a particular DVD but ever afterwards are just a distraction & an irritation.

FX Films
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I'm completely with Nigel here. It's personal preference of course but I simply don't waste time and effort on motion menus (for weddings). The customer wants to press PLAY the second they receive the DVD/Blu-Ray so why waste time, when a static personalised menu takes all of 1 minute to create? :) just food for thought, but I'm all for speedy workflows...

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I certainly use them. I mostly use DVD Studio Pro at teh moment but I am slowly switching over to Encore for my new stuff due to the ability to create a Blu Ray and DVD from the same project.

I have to say DVDSP is a lot quicker when it comes to motion menus. I tend to have a stills slideshow playing on the main menu and the chapter selection menus are also animated (the chapter buttons anyway with a still as a backdrop).

Not sure if it is just the age of my machine but Encore can be a bit of a nightmare. I can't see any of the motion menus in 'full flow' on a preview. I have to wait unti the whole disc has been rendered out.

CastleFilms
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Good point. I'm going to go back to simple static menus with no fx or music.

tom hardwick
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My last Blu-ray started smoothly up from black silence at the beginning of the film. I thought like FX - the client wants to see the film immediately. not faff about with menus. Of course I had numerous chapter points dotted throughout the day, and a push of the 'menu' button on the remote would take them to the conventional menu pages at any time, where they could select any chapter-point directly.

But the BD bounced back. My demo DVD had a moving menu, so why was was theirs lacking this? I explained how 'much more convenient and modern' it was to have the film starting immediately it was inserted, but the client was having none of this.

Apparently their fame is enhanced when proper 'Hollywood' menu pages feature the couple themselves, and they wanted to be part of that celebrity society. Must admit - it's not something I'd thought about, but anyway, I'm back to making moving menus because that's what makes the clients glow.

tom.

CastleFilms
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Maybe charge extra for the presentation? - colour grading, menus, and dvd cases..

Lusky
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CastleFilms wrote:
Maybe charge extra for the presentation? - colour grading, menus, and dvd cases..

Not something I think you can charge extra for, get a style of presentation that fits you and your brand, ensure you can do that in a time that is reasonable and profitable and charge accordingly.

My motion menus are basically 40 - 50 secs of scenes from the day often the arrivals with a simple black bar with their name and the buttons. It looks good (well I think so :-)) and easy to make quickly.

John Paul

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Back in the day, when DVD first arrived, you could charge extra for motion menus etc, but the golden goose has long passed on. A simple motion menu these days is easy peasy, and adds to the presentation of the whole thing. Remember the first thing the customer sees is the menu! (well, ok..the cover) If that's dull, or cheesy, what's their expectation of the film? I went back to static menus for about 2 years, but in the end came to the conclusion that if you can easily do something better....why not? The difference in time spent is negligible compared to the time spent on the edit! :eek:

CastleFilms
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My work flow is adobe creative suite. Am I missing out on a better DVD authoring program than Encore CS5?

colin rowe
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Encore is superb, particularly when used in conjunction with AE and photoshop. Check out the tutorials for AE here http://www.videocopilot.net/tutorials/
Some simple tutorials and presets. Try something like the simple 3D reflections, its a really good starting point for easy to produce menu templates

Colin Rowe

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Thanks Colin. Yes, I've got the hang of Encore, but I just wondered if it was the best...or if I would be better off with a more simple program for speed.

colin rowe
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Dont think there are any easy, or better programmes. The one that works best is the one you get to know, and work with regularly. You really have to set aside a few hours a day and explore and learn any programme. The more you understand it, the more powerful (and easier to use) it becomes

Colin Rowe