Music Videos That Dreamy Effect

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Aceventurer
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Hi everyone,
I need a bit of help i am setting about making a pop music video.
In videos like Spinning Around by dare
i say it Miss K Minogue it has that dreamy
type look ( if u catch my drift)
I have heard that it is created by playing
the song back at a faster speed and then i guess slowing it down in the computer
but keeping everything more or less in sync.
Has anyone got a full proof method they use to create this type of effect.
I have Media Studio Pro 6,adobe Prem 5 and
also Soundforge 4.5 can i use these programs
to help me in my quest
thanx

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Aceventurer, I haven't heard the Kylie Minogue track you mentioned but I used to be a DJ and back in the sixties a song called 'Itchycoo Park' by The Small Faces had an effect in it which sounded a bit like a jet flying overhead. The effect was called 'Phasing'. Going by how you were told to achieve the effect, I think this is what you're talking about. If so, please let me know and I'll explain it to you.
Chirpy.

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RayL
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The phasing on 'Itchycoo Park' (using three audio tape machines) was thought up by a recording engineer, who showed it to the Faces producer Glyn Johns on the morning of the session and it was used on the track the same afternoon.

My question is: how did that engineer spell his name? Spoken, it sounds like 'Ski-ants', but was it Schiantz, or Skyanse, or ? Does anyone know?

Ray Liffen

tom hardwick
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The things you know, Ray.

tom.

Chirpy
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Hmm. interesting answer Ray. I used to think Itchycoo Park was the first 'phased' record until about three years ago. I was listening to a broadcast on 'Wonderful Radio London' which was on air for four weeks in July/August '97. To my suprise they played an American hit from the late '50s (can't remember what it was) and it was 'phased'.
Also, as to how to get the effect, you only need TWO playback machines. Good old fashioned record decks are best as they give you more control - mind you, you now need TWO copies of the same record. The decks need to be outputed to the same mixer with both volume controls at the same level.
Start the two decks together and - nine times out of ten - you'll get an awful echo as one will take a split second longer to get up to speed.
Try and work out which deck is in front and, using very little pressure on the edge of the deck or record, slow it down. If you apply too much pressure it'll sound awful. But if you get it right, at the point where the other record catches up and overtakes, you'll get you're 'phased ' effect.
With practice you'll get this down to a fine art. Some songs work better than others. Live songs with applause sound best.
If you have decks (or CD players) with pitch contol you won't have to use your finger to alter the speed and youll be able to record the song onto tape and play the tape along with the CD or Record Deck with pitch control. (saves buying the song twice)
Can this effect be achieved on computer?
Probably!
(Actually, here we are gassing on about 'phasing' and we still have NO idea that this is what Aceventurer meant!)
As to your question about the engineer...I have no idea.
By the way, thanks for the info re. 'Pretty Packages'
Cheers, Chirpy.

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RayL
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The 'Itchycoo Park' phasing needed three machines because it was done with live sounds from the mixing desk. Feed two recorders with the same signal and mix their replay head outputs down to a third recorder. With pro machines the signals will be in phase. Now put your thumb on the spool flange of one of the two recorders - result, phasing (or, for obvious reasons, 'flanging')

>an American hit from the late '50s (can't remember what it was) and it was 'phased'.<
Are you sure it wasn't atmospherics from the rolling 'Big L' ship?

Ray Liffen

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Ray Liffen [/B]

Could've been...amazing though...how they got it to start at the begining and finish at the end, huh!

Chirpy.

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So back to Video, if you run two audio tracks in premier slighly out?

I think the original request was to create a slightly surreal effect between the sound and video. I guess that splitting audio and sound tracksd and shifting one or the other. (Either that or use Pinnacle dc10+ with the wrong sound card, s/w version 1.04 would work)

Chris

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if its simply the phase effect then simply apply it from within soundforge effects!

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Two phased?
If you have Sound forge I would suggest stretching one track by everso little and compressing the other by the same, adding all three means they will come in and out of phase slowly. If you apply these effects in sections with slightly different amounts it will sound like your hand on the reel to real. There are two stretches, one is a straight re-sample and the other preserves the frequencies.
Use pencil and paper to plan the phases.
Happy happytapping.

Mr Red

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I haven't tried it, so I've no idea if it would work, but could you perhaps achieve a similar thing by putting two identical sound tracks on the timeline of Premiere and adjusting the length of one of them by a percent or two, maybe more?

I remember using two domestic reel-to-reel tape recorders, one mono, the other a Heathkit stereo which enabled recording from one track to the other. I'd queue the two recorders and mix sound from the mono with one of the stereo tracks onto the other stereo track. Because they were domestic tape recorders I didn't have to do much "flanging", they went out of phase very easily. It was very hit and miss, but very satisfying when a good phased effect was achieved. And all to the sound of Wonderful Big L. Who remembers Kenny and Cash?

Paul

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Hooray, another 'BIG L' fan. (That shows your age - and mine for that matter) If you search www.live365.com you'll find them - and many other pirate radio memories lurking about.

Cheers, Chirpy.

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RayL
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Tucked away in Ray's cellarfull of tapes is maybe the only copy left of the quarter inch demo tape that engineer Russ Tollerfield made on the Big L boat in about '65 when the DJ's were'nt about. Jingles, ads, pop tunes, lots of Everett, and that great station ident that starts off with a bluesy Hammond, brings in the brass and chorus and finishes off with the weird voice saying 'Wonderful Big L - Won-der-ful Ra-di-o Lon-don'. Does anyone know who the organ player was? Sounds a bit like Jimmy Smith.

Ray Liffen

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Yes, I love that track. The voice was ring modulated, I beleive. I found a copy of it on the web a while back, but the quality wouldn't compare to a pristine quarter inch tape. I don't think any radio could compete with the sixties pirates for sheer exitement, you were never really sure what may happen next. I don't suppose anyone remembers "The Aunty Mable Hour" on Radio City. Really just a couple of DJs messing around on an old Ack Ack fort in the Thames estuary, but anarchistic magic to a teenager who had only heard a very staid Aunty BBC up until then.

Paul

Paul

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Hey, you 'Watery Wireless' people. If you're online at the moment, go to www.bigl.co.uk Press 'On Air Now'. When the next page comes up press 'Press To Listen'. On the following page, click on the Radio London 'Speaker' icon. A smaller box should come up on the screen - don't press anything, just wait about 30 secs. You should hear 'The Radio London Story'. If nothing happens, click on the 'speaker' icon on that page.
Oh, what memories what memories!
By the way, the Big L website should direct you to 'East Anglian Productions'. They sell all sorts of memorabilia - including 'BIG LIL', the hammond organ tune you're on about.
Happy listening.

Cheers, Chirpy.

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PS

Paul, I don't remember the 'Aunty Mable Hour' on Radio City (it sounds fine - on 299). But I do remember the 'Five by Four Show' (Beatles vs. Stones) and 'The Breakaway Show', dedicated to all the prisoners on the run during a spate of jailbreaks in 1966.
By the way, I'm sure you'll both remember Radio Caroline. Well they're still broadcasting (legally) up the Thames Estuary and also on www.radiocaroline.com. Sadly though they've moved into the nineties - the jingles are the same though.
Radio London is due to get a broadcast licence VERY soon and will broadcast in a similar fashion to the 60s. I have over 200 hours of the very nostalgic 1997 and 2000 broadcasts from Clacton and Walton on VHS tape - you can get 8 hours non-stop recording on VHS.

Cheers, Chirpy.

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tom hardwick
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Yes, there's a girl called Caroline I swim with on Saturday mornings. I call her the good ship Caroline and I know she has no idea why, being a whippersnapper of 30 something.

tom.

Chirpy
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Good job her name's not Annie, you might've nick-named her after another boat in a certain 60s TV programme, 'Tugboat Annie'.
A slap around the face really stings when you're wet!

Chirpy.

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Paul Rossi
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Cool thread guys,

Lost the plot completely but hey when you talk about the Small Faces, phasing, reel to reels and pirate stations who cares?

And "All Or Nothing" is still my all time Desert Island disc.

Wow, what memories!

Paul

You can't edit what you haven't got.

Chirpy
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Nothing like a good 'Flashback' for us 'Golden Oldies'.

Chirpy

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red
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To Aceventurer,
Nice to listen to the old codgers reminiscing but somehow your request for a dreamy type'look'has transformed into a discussion about 'audio'. I quite often use dreamy look video and do it by putting a filter(soft focus or a near neigbour) in front of the lens. That simple.
If you don't have that facility then there's almost definitey something in prem's video filters that will do the job.
I'm also about to do my first pop video on a 'when you get famous pay me back basis'I'm been looking at the latest Madonna video (I think the it's the biz photographically)and reckon prem 5.1c can get quite near to that apart from the cartoon bit.What do you think? Let me know how you're getting on and I'll do likewise. Cheers Red

Chirpy
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Actually Red, I didn't go completely off the thread...If you'd been walking along Clacton Pier in August and heard the sounds of 'Wonderful Radio London' wafting across - even if it was coming from a portacabin rather than a pirate radio ship - had you been an 'old codger' you too would have probably thought..."Music videos, that 'Dreamy' effect", especially as it's been off the air since 1967.
Thankfully I had a DV camera with me and so the 'dreamy' music of Radio London is now part of the opening scene to my new video.
For the benefit of the other old codgers, I'm enjoying the sounds of Radio Northsea International streaming down the net as I write to you!

Cheers, Chirpy.

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Chirpy
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PS. Have you noticed that Aceventurer hasn't got back to this thread once! Are you still there Ace?

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red
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didn't think for a minute I'd get away with that one.I never said I don't remember it all,just that it was nice to hear the memories but I do want to know how ace.v. is progressing. Let us know ace!
Now where were we Radio Caroline or Luxembourg?I think I can vaguely remember Starman by Bowie wafting through the airwaves with my radio under the pillow where me mum couldn't hear it,sucking my thumb,kissing teddy goodnight....

Aceventurer
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Hi everyone,
finally Aceventurer appears again
Im sorry i havent replied sooner but ive
been stuck in a recording studio 24/7
recording a new album with shakatak.
Lots of interesting answers but still not
what i am looking for .
I must have not explained myself
correctly.
I don't mean audio effects phasing ect..
or the use of filters.
I'll try to explain it another way
If you look at many Pop videos today
Westlife ect..
Take a walking shot towards the camera
as they swagger singing there hearts out.
The visual is moving in slow motion and
looks very dreamy yet the vocal is still pretty well lip synced with the song.
I was wondering how this is done.
The artist (westlife) must be singing
it at a faster tempo so that when it's
slowed down lip sync is still pretty tight
I was wondering if anyone had done something like this,
And if there is a full proof way of creating it
thanks

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Play back track at twice original speed with artists miming to double speed sound.

Then play the video back at half speed , that should give you dreamy effect you are looking for.

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Blimey. I just looked at this thread for the first time. Takes me back, I first heard Kenny Everett on Radio Caroline North, outside the Mersey, and was gobsmacked by what he could do with the limited kit of the 60s. Mind you, that was alos the broadcaster who read out a request thus:

"Now a request for Sonny, Terry and Browny somebody. You don't say what you want me to play so here's an Elvis record". I nearly wet miyself.

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Aceventurer
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thanks
sepulcre
ill give it try !