Re-designed web site

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Michael Wade
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Could anyone find the time to check out our re-designed and newly posted web site at yorkshirevideoarts.com ? See if the sample video clips work OK and whether they fit the bill. Where necessary I have substituted copyright free music for that used originally. Any comments or suggestions for improvements welcomed.
Cheers
Mike

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Weddings:

1. quicktime on my pc needed updated to 7.0.4 before it would play.
2. windows media played without any updates required.

Modern Artists and Industrial.

Both fine since i looked at them after weddings.

All windows media take longer to start up than the quicktime , but that is part of the way it works.

Gary MacKenzie

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Michael, just had a peek, worked fine on my P.C.
Liked the way your bride looks up at her groom in church.
Perhaps now you could do me a favour by return. I have never found the need to place a movie on my web site but it is now something I want to do. I am going to put a section under weddings and shows. I have applied for a licence for the music tracks and this is what I have so far:-

The permission of the copyright owners will need to be obtained for this proposed music use. We will contact you to advise whether we can seek this permission for you or whether you need to speak directly to the copyright owner. A valid licence will not be in place unless and until permission has been granted, a licence has been issued and payment has been made.

Do you know how long this will take to come through because the web site is almost complete?

thanks..........dvcam

Michael Wade
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Dvcam, hi ! And thanks for the comments.
I 'm of no help I'm afraid in knowing how long you may have to wait for permission to use the copyright music you want on your site. All the music on my web site is copyright free - partly in order to avoid waiting for permission as well to avoid being caught out infringeing copyright etc
Thanks Gary. Windows Media takes about 10 secs to kick in on my PC which is a bit long but the buffering indicator will let the viewer know something is happening and hold their attention - I hope.
Cheers
Mike

Ray Maher
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Michael Wade wrote:
Dvcam, hi ! And thanks for the comments.
I 'm of no help I'm afraid in knowing how long you may have to wait for permission to use the copyright music you want on your site. All the music on my web site is copyright free - partly in order to avoid waiting for permission as well to avoid being caught out infringeing copyright etc
Thanks Gary. Windows Media takes about 10 secs to kick in on my PC which is a bit long but the buffering indicator will let the viewer know something is happening and hold their attention - I hope.
Cheers
Mike

Windows media took about 4mins to fire up on my computer.

A little box appeared in the top left hand corner with the green bar moving across.

Ray Maher

Michael Wade
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4 minutes Ray ! Blimey. It is Broadband only I'm afraid.

Ray Maher
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Michael Wade wrote:
4 minutes Ray ! Blimey. It is Broadband only I'm afraid.

I'm on broadband.

Ray Maher

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not that i am a pro, but it is not that hard to video on your site and i know i should not say it but cant you find me 8 out of 10 sites that have the right for the music they play. if you want your site redoing let me know as a friend of mine is a web designer and is looking to do some free work for his portfolio

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Mike,
Like Ray I'm on broadband( all be it bottom end of the performance league) and like Ray the Windows Media 9 clips took too long to buffer. What output level did you select when encoding the clips ? The Quicktime clips were fine.
John

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I couldn't get them to play in quicktime it said I needed an apple quicktime plugin and then said it was unavailable.
On my editing computer it took 20 seconds to start playing in wmp but only played the sound
in quicktime.

Ray Maher

Michael Wade
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We used the free progressive download option encoding at 700 kbps. This should be OK for a 1Mbps broadband package (which has a 800kbps download portion) but obviously it's going to be a struggle with anything less.
Cheers
Mike

Gavin Gration
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Site looks nice, clear, easy to navigate & understand. Good to have choice of WMV and QT.

I looked at Windows Media for modern atrists on 1MB connection.... I know it's a full frame at a good datarate and that's why it takes a while (on my typical ADSL connection) but Mr Average needs warning or he'll think that it's broken, you're rubbish or both.

The Modern Art clip looks like you may have adjusted the brightness/contrast to compensate for under-exposure or lack of lighting which has flattened the colour. See if you can boost the Gamma instead - I have found it gives more pleasing results. The white balance is off for one camera - this could easily be fixed in post. A crop or DVE should be applied to get rid of the edges of the WA lens. You've nailed the audio (according to my poxy monitor speakers) it sounds fine.

I know this is picky but try to keep the other cameras out of shot - the cameraman standing up and shuffling out of the way near the end is very distracting - in fact he (for me at least) becomes the focal point. For a web based, single-subject showreel I would edit the footage down to about a minute - give it a begining, middle and end & deliver it in a wider aspect ratio - tiny vids look OK square but big ones look wierd.

Hope my ranting doesn't seem too harsh.

Gavin

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Hi Mike,

Loaded up OK this end after about a 10 second buffer.

I Noticed on the industrial clip that the narration tone changed at about 3.01 minutes.

Phil

Michael Wade
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Thanks Gavin. You comments are appreciated and they are no harsher than my own. If alterations and corrections could be done quickly I would incorporate most of your suggestions straight away but it will unfortunately take time. Everything is a compromise in this game. The gallery was heavily top lit and that I think causes the flat colour. Ideally I would have liked to keep the second camera out of shot - most of the time at least - but in shooting without a break, while Anthony Green did his amazingly spontaneous commentary, this proved impossible.
Well spotted Birty Boy - I've tried to fix that change in the tone of the narration but failed.
Cheers
Mike

hade
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Hi michael

I'm a web designer so I'm nit picking here, but the "more about us" page jumps slightly to the right..

NickHampson
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I think its a pretty good effort, my comments would be you might want to open up the video in a window the right size to play the content/header and without all the toolbars instead of a big white window, if you want the detail the code is simple and I'm happy to send it to you, it would be cut and paste stuff.
There has been much debate on the video startup times a couple of ideas would be offer a low and high bandwidth option for each one or encode the video using a multibirate (MBR)stream, technically this is only supposed to work if you stream the video rather than progressive download but no one seems to have told the players that, it typically works fine.
The only other option is Flash which at least will give you a nice loader telling people the progress - but you really need specific skills/tools for this so its just FYI.

Nick

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Michael Wade
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Thanks Hade and Nick. I'll mention the points and suggestions you made to my technical guru.
Cheers
Mike

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Can I jump in here, we are also making a few changes to our web site and although it is still under construction we have now placed a few clips on the site. I wonder if one or two of you, when you have the time, could open it up and just check to see if it plays (wmf) all the way through.
bdharper.com

The sound track on the wedding arrivals was recorded live from The Assembly Rooms at Bath, not the best of places for sound reproduction.
The Bath Gang Show was last year, not 06 as stated. This was a five camera shoot, three manned. All the cast, the director, the lighting guy and the sound engineer were all scouts, guides, cubs or brownies. I think they all done a great job. The brownies in white came too far forward so only a few managed to be in the spotlight, just one of those things.
Thanks in anticipation......
bdharper.com
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dvcam wrote:
Can I jump in here, we are also making a few changes to our web site and although it is still under construction we have now placed a few clips on the site. I wonder if one or two of you, when you have the time, could open it up and just check to see if it plays (wmf) all the way through.
http://www.bdharper.com/samples.asp?show=0&video=1&pics=0

The sound track on the wedding arrivals was recorded live from The Assembly Rooms at Bath, not the best of places for sound reproduction.
The Bath Gang Show was last year, not 06 as stated. This was a five camera shoot, three manned. All the cast, the director, the lighting guy and the sound engineer were all scouts, guides, cubs or brownies. I think they all done a great job. The brownies in white came too far forward so only a few managed to be in the spotlight, just one of those things.
Thanks in anticipation......
bdharper.com
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dvcam

I am connected to the net via a very large pipe.
The wedding video is only 6.28 duration , but 'downloading' it takes 18 minutes.
There is no way your outgoing datarate can allow streaming ( realtime ) of the video.
I would drop the resolution , or only allow downloading of the files.

Gary MacKenzie

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I've just tried this on a standard ADSL connection and it runs for only about 5-10 seconds without a pause, I did'nt sit and wait for it to start which is probabaly the same as your customers.
I just took a look at the files and I think you can get a better data rate for the size you are showing it at.
The data shows a data rate of 1.6 and 2Mbits/sec for the videos and they are encoded at full PAL D1 size. If you only playing back at a smaller size which you're using 320x290 its costing you in download speed for something people cant see and the data rates are higher than almost any realworld connection for a cutomer.
You can probabaly get really nice quality at this size runnning at about 500k (or less) and on the web the only difference will be the speed it plays.
Another point is you using windows media 9 professional codec which may force people to go off to the microsoft website to get a codec or just not work for the laggards on early versions of windows media, its a great codec no doubt but you might want to use a more standard one for people to access it easier.
Microsoft have lost a legal battle on how items automaticaly play in the browser, you should be aware that soon and in fact now, many people will not be able to activate the windows media file until you click on it, this is an update for IE6 and built into ie7 there is a workaround on the link below or just add some text to get people to click on the video frame start it working otherwise it will probably not even start to load the video, this affects all dynamic content not just windows media.
I know compression is an art in itself if you not happy setting this up I can offer some settings advice or if the files are not too big just run them through the render farm for you its easy when you have the kit for this stuff.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/912945
And
http://www.baekdal.com/articles/Technology/microsoft-ie-activex-update/
And
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/workshop/author/dhtml/ove
rview/activating_activex.asp

Regards Nick

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thanks Garry and Nick, this seems to be a mind blowing exercise but I will get there in the end.
Before I posted I went into my web site bdharper.com and opened the sample link.
If I click on the wedding or gang show they play right through.

back to the drawing board.

NickHampson
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yeah your brower will cache the video so to get a real test you need to clear out the cache.
If you need any help compressing the video, like it said the offer is there, I'm not gonna charge as the render machines are just sitting there wasting electricty, and I do a lot of this so its second nature.
If we all do people the odd favor the world would be a better place :-)
Nick

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thanks Nick, I might take you up on that.
Know what you mean about the odd favour, I sent a guy on here my copy of Prem 6. It was just sitting here and I had no need for it.
Will be in touch.
bdharper.com

Michael Wade
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Just to cheer you up DVCAM I went to bdharper.com and opened the sample link. Both samples played straight away all the way through on my 2Mbps broadband package...
Cheers
Mike

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thanks for that Mike, something I just do not understand at the moment. Posted to my friends around the world and they all say the same.
Not having a booking this weekend I have been trying to lay some decking because it`s smashing out side.
Plod on I suppose.
bdharper.com

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thank you

thanks for all the emails, about 10% could not get the samples to play right through without stopping, the rest were O.K.
Now made it possible to save them so they can view later.
Have decided to stay put for the time being and I realise not everyone in the land will be able to play them.
This is a quality issue and I have allowed for full screen viewing (which is how it should be).
My next up-load will have live audio and I hope to get some feedback on those clips.
thanks again.
bdharper.com
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