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Alan Roberts
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Gentlemen (and ladies),

Please don't take this the wrong way, I'm trying to help.

We have a bit of an issue with the contents of this forum (Wedding stuff). We've already had one acrimonious thread (now deleted), so I want to see if we can keep everything running as it should.

Just remember that potential customers read these contents, and that Google has found and cached quite a lot of it, warts and all. So, I want to ask you to think carefully before you post here. Anything to do with Wedding Videography is fine, whether techniques or pricing, but the subsequent chatter should really go in "Chatter" where it belongs. We're very largely self-policing here, all we ask is that some thought goes into the contents of postings in the knowledge that it's almost certainly going to leak out well beyond these walls.

This is in no way a censure, just a plea for more thought on content.

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DV Ed
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Perhaps as wedding chatter is needed then? Since chatter is really too unrelated to mix with anything else in my opinion.

Ed

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Just to add if this was hidden until one joined, so all can still be feely viewed, but just wasn't visible until you were registerd, google would also never see it, and therefor cache it.

Ed

Alan Roberts
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Indeed, one of the possibilities is that this forum would require registration. If you don't want that (and it could end up with paid subscription, that's also a possibility, which I'm not keen on) then please stick to your subjects, and move the chatter to Chatter.

Get my test cards document, and cards for 625, 525, 720 and 1080. Thanks to Gavin Gration for hosting them.
Camera settings documents are held by Daniel Browning and at the EBU
My book, 'Circles of Confusion' is available here.
Also EBU Tech.3335 tells how to test cameras, and R.118 tells how to use the results.

DV Ed
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I don’t mean that, by everyone posting now we are already registered. That’s all you need. Then the forum admin just create a new wedding chatter sub forum, general chatter and video chatter are very different! Which you would then set the permissions to make it only viewable when you’re a registered member - which we already all are. This allows everyone who is here to see it but keeps it from any form of website bot or search engine.

branny
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Gotta agree with Ed. Especially on a new chatter forum.

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Chrome
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If a wed vid chat forum was created, then the only change that would be needed to stop robots, web bots and crawlers etc. from indexing and referencing the discussions for search engines, would be to stop guests and non-reg users from being able to access that forum.

This should be a simple flag setting within the software for most BB's. I know because that is how my discussion forums are set up and I can actually see attempted accesses being repelled at the initial page.

So to add to branny and ed... me too :)

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I'm with you guys, I'm just learning the "art" of weddings & don't want a prospective B&G logging on to find me asking questions about how I'm going to film a wedding or even their wedding!!! Methinks the order would not be coming my way!!!
Cary

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Caryjoy, don't take this the wrong way, but that is what this forum is for.

Even the most experienced of us will find ourselves in situations where we think 'oh sh*t', and have to look elsewhere for the answers. There is nothing wrong with this, and IMHO it's not something you should worry about too much mate.

Regarding a wed vid chat forum, it's a nice idea and I would use it. However, there's nothing wrong with the current chat forum, apart from it being a couple of clicks of the mouse away. Crikey, that's not too bad, my kettle all the way down stairs in the kitchen. :)

Same As It Ever Was! :(

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And my last sentance yoda turning me into yes.

Same As It Ever Was! :(

Alan Roberts
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That's how I feel, the existing Chatter forum is the place for chatter, I can see no need for a new one. All I'm asking is that you consider what you're posting, in the light that existing and potential customers can see it, and that Google is caching it for posterity.

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Camera settings documents are held by Daniel Browning and at the EBU
My book, 'Circles of Confusion' is available here.
Also EBU Tech.3335 tells how to test cameras, and R.118 tells how to use the results.

branny
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See page 1 for the circular tour!

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Alan Roberts
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Quite :D

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Runaround Who
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Sorted - thanks

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Alan Roberts
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I've answered your PM. I don't know what thread you mean, I don't recall moving anything recently except one thread advertising Pamela Anderson. I assume that's not the one.

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Also EBU Tech.3335 tells how to test cameras, and R.118 tells how to use the results.

Runaround Who
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Phew! No, I was certainly not writing about Pamela Anderson - not my type at all!!

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Dave R Smith
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'Chatter' currently goes back about 4 weeks, for latest posts, so split of chatter/specified chatter doesn't seem needed by volume.
But split for reasons of privacy/web crawler invisibility I don't know.
I'm not aware of a the nature of the thread that posed the question.
I can only guess 'names' were used in a non-favourable context, or maliciously?
I can't think of anything that needs to be private, but on same token, I don't see any benefit in allowing non-registered folks to have 'read' privelage on chatter of any type.
I assume newcomers are drawn by the technical questions.
I also guess that the 'visibility' and magnitude of the forum to both registered and unregistered users influences the scale of sponsorship/paid advert fees.

Are extra controls needed if we don't 'name' people in a malicious or negative way, unless they are alreday in the public eye?

Alan Roberts
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We're recently seeing more threads containing contentious views, with unwarranted personal attacks. If this continues, we, the moderators, will take action to eliminate the perpetrators.

Get my test cards document, and cards for 625, 525, 720 and 1080. Thanks to Gavin Gration for hosting them.
Camera settings documents are held by Daniel Browning and at the EBU
My book, 'Circles of Confusion' is available here.
Also EBU Tech.3335 tells how to test cameras, and R.118 tells how to use the results.

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Alan Roberts wrote:
We're recently seeing more threads containing contentious views, with unwarranted personal attacks. If this continues, we, the moderators, will take action to eliminate the perpetrators.

been watching some good old ultraviolence on the telly, have we? ;)

Alan Roberts
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No, but the effect is the same. I've pruned out the messages that followed this, now that the problem has been sent away.

Dave, I deprecate personal attacks whether direct or indirect, named or un-named. Those who want to fight should go behind the bike sheds and get on with it there, we don't want it here :)

Get my test cards document, and cards for 625, 525, 720 and 1080. Thanks to Gavin Gration for hosting them.
Camera settings documents are held by Daniel Browning and at the EBU
My book, 'Circles of Confusion' is available here.
Also EBU Tech.3335 tells how to test cameras, and R.118 tells how to use the results.