Recording Sound

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Goldeneye
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Would anyone like to share what they use for recording sound at weddings.At the moment, I'm using a minidisk recorder for the vows and also for the speeches, whilst using the cameras own mic (an XM2) for the rest of the ceremony/reception. Although the minidisc captures reasonably well, it can be a pain in the edit trying to mix in the sound to get a balance with the camera recorded sound, not to mention editing out any unwanted noises etc. Surely there must be some better options?
Any suggestions?

Z Cheema
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I use a Radio Mic on one channel on the camera and the MKE on the other channel.

Also now use an MP3 recorder for the readings and ambient sound. It has a USB connector and you just drag the file into the PC and the transfer is done.

It should be fairly straight forward to mix down after wards, set up some audio templates and just use the match audio.

encore
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I use radio mic on groom. K6/Me66 shotgun mic for back-up and K6/Me64 for hymns. Our second camera also uses a K6/Me64. These are lovely mics and capture great sound.

David James
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Goldeneye
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Thanks guys, I was thinking along the lines of the radio controlled option for the vows and the shotgun for speeches/hymns. Can you recommend a good radio mic system?

encore
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I use the sony uwp wireless mics, very good. Got them from Total Audio Solutions 01527 880051.

David James
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The-Video-Compa...
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I have an MZ-N710 Mini Disk recorder, but it unfortunately says that you can't transfer audio from it to the PC, unles it originated from the PC.

Surely this is not the case, as I would prefer to use this over a radio mic as a back up for the vows. It is very discreet, and more comfortable than a radio mic.

Any suggestions?

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you saying you can't playback from the minidisc and record onto pc ?

how are you connecting it to the pc ?

Gary MacKenzie

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The-Video-Compa...
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It comes supplied with a USB connection.

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The-Video-Compa...
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Forgot to mention it comes supplied with some software called SonicStage, but it won't accept recorded speech.

Perhaps I can use other software, or just capture the audio via the line-in port.

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DAVE M
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I assume that you mean via USB??

we bought some sony NetMD's as we wanteed to copy voice data from minidisc to PC digitally and found that it wouldn't let you "for copyright reasons" yet you can copy audio CD's to minidisc with no problem.

I do wish sony would get their act together.

SIFI
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The confusion here is with the Sony Net high speed transfer from PC. It only transfers at high speed from the PC to the recorder. There is no workaround.

Using anologue cables into your PC at realtime speed does work.

Simon

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I too bought a Sony NetMD, for the exact same reason. I might take a look at the HDD Portadisc, as I'm sure this allows a 2 way transfer.

However, for the moment it will have to simply be analogue cables.

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BrianR
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I also have just boughta Sony NetMD to use instead of a radio mic and had hoped didgital transfere to PC of my recordings would be possible by the usb lead.

To get the recorded audio out I presume I have to use the line out socket but note it says line out (optical) and the lead provided is an optical one.

Are you able to plug a standard mini stereo audio jack plug in to this and connect to the line in of a PC sound card or do I have to get a special connector.

BrianR

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Just plug a standard juck plug into the headphone socket on the NetMD, and connect the other end to the PC's line in.

This should do the trick.

You don't have to worry about the other part on the NetMD headphone connection, as this should be for the remote control.

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The-Video-Compa...
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That should read jack plug Brian, please forgive my spelling ;)

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BrianR
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Interesting.
I thought a head phone socket was a very low signal level output compared to line out and as such the quality would not be as good.
Maybe I am wrong.
However will give it a try.
Brian

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I've just purchased the Sony MZ-N710 recorder and have come across the same situation. Having tested the recorder with a microphone I cannot download the audio to pc because the sonic stage software prevents me from doing it.

I tried downloading from the earphone socket but after several attempts the sound quality is terrible.

I thought MD's were a good source to use for capturing sound, to me it's a terrible way of doing it and sooner purchase another set of radio mics.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I maybe doing wrong?

David James
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my older sony mz minidisc has a dual use analogue/optical output.

Waht does the manual say the port is capable of doing ?

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Alan McCormick
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I have the same MD, bought it with my Cam last year.

You can import direct into the PC using good old sound recorder.

I used the Mic O/P (MD) to Line In (PC) connections and not Line Out (MD) to Line In (PC) as I do not have a Line OUT on the MD, only Line IN. Using Recorder I increased the 60sec standard recording time after following the Microsoft Bulletin http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;82215.

I have since got the EW112P Senn radios but will use the MD for backups, hope this helps.

Alan

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Alan,

The Sennheiser EW112P radio mics seem fairly popular for this kind of work. I think they will
be on my shopping list for the next wedding.
Can you recommend any good online companies selling them?

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Gary Mackenzie
my older sony mz minidisc has a dual use analogue/optical output.

Waht does the manual say the port is capable of doing ?

I looked at manual and optical port is input only. Today I have tried downloading sound from MD using USB (don't work), earphones (poor quality), mic (don't work) or optical (don't work).

I spoke with Sony today about the Sonic Stage software and apprantley there is an MD coming out in June that will allow you to download via the USB cable without any restrictions. I think I'll wait now till this one arrives and see.

David James
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Alan McCormick
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Goldeneye,

I got mine from H Prestons here

I have not had any problems with them and got the "flight case" too.

Alan

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Used my NetMD over the weekend with the Sony MD clip microphone. It was very discreet, easy to set up & dismantle.

I've imported the vows on to my PC using Magix Audio Cleaner, and multiplex it into the original footage with Adobe Premier. Although the audio could not be transfered digitally, I am happy with the end result.

Same As It Ever Was! :(

abfab
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Hi all just discovered this forum.

As I use a second camera (static on tri-pod),when covering weddings, I hook up a mic to it which is on its own small tri-pod and I find this has numerous advantages ie.

clean stereo sound(no handling noise etc.)
alternative point of view
easy to capture because it's dv

It's not that much extra work when editing and also it's back- up if any thing went wrong with the main camera.

B.