strange technique

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belgian
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maybe a related topic was already posted, but i tried to look at all the old topics...but , a bit to much...
as i was looking at the local music-channel here in belgium, i saw a clip of the beastie boys... not the music but the way of filming really caught my attention...
at one time in the music-video(near the middle), the beastie-boys stand still, but they move around in the space where they are standing in... (hope you'll understand this...)
as i have follewed a filmcourse at college, i know some things about filming, but this technique really drives me mad... as more and more clips are using this (see LCD-soundsystem)
i also wondered if i could copy this technique with my panasonic gs-250 and as editing-software Avid...
i will put a link if you didn't understand my explanation... http://boss.streamos.com/download/capi001/beastieboys/anopenlettertonyc/video/anopenlettertonyc_v300.mov
i hope some-one can help me with this problem!
greetz

harlequin
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possibly done in stop motion , shoot a frame move the actor shoot next frame , leaving background and camera unmoved ... then shoot rest of shots with camera moving thru a fixed track taking 25 different frames per second with actors legs staying straight etc.

get hold of a copy of 'the wizard of speed and time' by Mike Jitlov where you will see how many of these old tricks can be done optically , though many are now done electronically.

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belgian
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thx

i will certainly try to get a copy of the wizard...!

again, thx!

Tony Goodman
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belgian

i will certainly try to get a copy of the wizard...!

again, thx
Hi

Copies are on sale on ebay! They are VHS but it is a great FX film

Cheers

Tony

DVdoctor
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I think Gary is correct it is stop frame, the clue is that the "boys" are always standing still. It would be possible to do it also with a complete green screen back drop and floor, but I think Gary is is correct

John

Alan Roberts
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Given that the background is not real speed, the whole thing's a setup. A process like blue/green screen might do it (which I doubt), but it's far more likely a simpler process.

If you know the speed-up rate you're going to use, then you know exactly how many frames are dropped between used frames, and they can move during those frames. So, if you've got say a 25:1 speed up (stick with PAL speeds for now), you can set a metronome ticking once per second, when that ticks, they stand still, between ticks they move. In the edit, the frames in which they move are scrapped. Net result, they appear to stand still(ish) while the background moves at speed. Cheap and simple.

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DVdoctor
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Alan always comes up with the simple clever way to do it. :-)

John

Alan Roberts
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Not original though, it's been a standard technique for decades.

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