Streaming Software

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adloos
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Hey Guys, I just came across this site and its has so much good information which will help me out a lot.
I am looking for a program to stream video instead of using windows media encoder. Maybe something with a little more options. I have watched streaming video from sites that look awesome at 300k, but when i compare it to my 300k video it does not look as good. Why is this?? Is it Windows Encoder? Any sugggestions.

harlequin
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the following affect quality

1. resolution
2. codec
3. encoding rate

xvid at 1200kbs full pal res looks good , two pass encoding.

for streaming realmedia looks good if you do a good encode, as does h264 ( apple quicktime mov file )

what are you trying to encode , how long a piece , and how much motion in it ?

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adloos
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Thanks for replying Gary.
I am encoding video that is up to half an hour long. With a decent amount of movement during the video. What do you think my best solution is?

harlequin
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channel 4 streamed video from 'the IT crowd' at the following settings

320x240
windows media 9
391kbps for the video
32kbps for the audio
25fps

they work pretty well , but they don't have the full shows online at the moment , only shorter clips.

i have some clips we were messing about with different encoding settings for @
http://garymackenzie.dynalias.org/streaming/

they are only online 9.00 to 4.00 ( uk time ) weekdays.

Gary MacKenzie

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popper
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adloos wrote:
Hey Guys, I just came across this site and its has so much good information which will help me out a lot.
I am looking for a program to stream video instead of using windows media encoder. Maybe something with a little more options. I have watched streaming video from sites that look awesome at 300k, but when i compare it to my 300k video it does not look as good. Why is this?? Is it Windows Encoder? Any sugggestions.

if your talking already encoded files/content then just go for VLC and run it in server mode
over tcp/ip or UDP , it does both unicast and Multicast so it up to you to choose your best fit web or lan streaming.

you can even re-encode/transcode on the fly with the right server CPU(s), and control it remotely with html and even rebol scripting

today , you should be looking to use AVC/H.264 encoding and forget the rest, as it will give you FAR better file sizes and quality compared to anything else today, especially at low bit rates, even with HD content, its still better the MS products even the new VC-1.

for an open and free AVC encoder look to x264 or any commercial util if you prefer.

http://forum.doom9.org/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=78

remember that AVC/H.264 is Mpeg-4 part 10 , companion of AAC audio , NOT the old mpeg-4 part2 aka Divx/Xvid.

harlequin
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h264 takes ages to encode , doesn't replay properly every time , even with quicktime.
i have encoded a few clips with h264 encoder from mainconcept , and was not impressed with the quality.
x264 suffers from the same problems.

commercially encoded h264 can look good , but some makes xvid look the best.

until they make an affordable h264 encoder / decoder card for my pc , i'll pass.

Gary MacKenzie

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popper
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harlequin wrote:
h264 takes ages to encode , doesn't replay properly every time , even with quicktime.
i have encoded a few clips with h264 encoder from mainconcept , and was not impressed with the quality.
x264 suffers from the same problems.

commercially encoded h264 can look good , but some makes xvid look the best.

until they make an affordable h264 encoder / decoder card for my pc , i'll pass.

i cant comment on why your content encoding or playback is as you describe, but it would seem that you could ask the likes of SharkTooth
http://forum.doom9.org/member.php?u=41310 one of the many AVC experts over on doom9.

from what i inderstand, Quicktime is probably the werst optimized codec on the planet, and the other extream, coreAVC far exceeds any on the market today.

all i know is that the UK BBC/ITV/C4/channel5 HD trials are using it along with the advanced MBAFF part of the official spec, and that looks by far the best content i'v ever seen so far.

the new DVB-H protocol is also using it for their low bandwidth content, so again, AVC is the codec to use, its just a matter of the correct settings in the encoder/decoders as time passes that will be clearer to all i guess. :cool: