vegas pro 8 title help

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bigsi
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hi, just found this place so hopefully someone can help me.

i have a piece of film and at the beginning i want to scroll right to left some titles i have made.

however, inside the titles i have palced some video footage also using the Compositing Mode then Select Multiply (Mask), this allowed me to have the video inside the titles. i then set up the parent and child with the titles the parent and the video its child.

now i want to slowly move these titles from the right to the left of the screen, basically scrolling into the screen from outside the viewing box and then oce to the left outside the viewing box again so nothing is visable.

this is a clip of the exact title scroll effect i want to achive, http://youtube.com/watch?v=ukVDyS37u2Y

i have only just got vegas and am learning it by trial by fire and im getting there. i also have got premiere so if its easier in that i will redo it in that program.

any help you guys can offer would be great.

thanks for a great site!!

Z Cheema
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It can be done with the normal text (not the new fancy one), i think they call it slugging.

Do a one line text then go into the PLACMENT TAB and move all the text way one way (to the right)and double click where the key frame is (make sure you are at the start of the video, then move the cursor to the other end of where the first key frame is and move the text all the way to the other side of and a key frame marker should appear , that's how I used to do it.

If you have problems send me a PM with e-mail and i can send you a VEG file so you can see how it works

fuddam
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you could use Parent Track Motion with keyframes to move it across the screen. This will pan the 'embedded' video too, though.

Position it off screen at starting position, then click at 10 seconds (or whatever) and drag the track motion box across to the left.

make sure it's the track motion button on the extreme left, right against the edge of the screen, not the normal one to the right of the track title box.

if you want the exact same effect, i.e. panning *across* the embedded video within the titles, then instead of Track Motion, use Pan/Crop on the title clip, and keyframe its movement across the screen. Be aware it will work in reverse - you'll see what I mean

:)

bigsi
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well i tried the parent track motion and it takes the the section as a whole and moves it and does not scroll it.

as for the pan crop i tried that and not a thing. this is meaking my head hurt now it must be simple to do i just cant get it to do it.

fuddam
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within almost all dialogue boxes (pan/crop, track motion, fx, transitions, media generators, etc), there is a timeline at the bottom of the dialogue. Sometimes that timeline can be hidden from view if main dialogue is stretched too far down.

Anyway, need to set 2 keyframes for your goal, 1 at starting position of text, and 1 at ending position, separated by time you require (eg the 10 seconds of movement).

eg here: http://www.creativecow.net/articles/wilhite_bryan/ntsc_broadcast/VegasEventPanCrop3.gif

bigsi
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fuddam your a gent!! thanks again for that yep the timeline was hidden from me!!!!

now then i got the movement that i want however for some reason i set the key frame at the start sync the cursor and move it say to two minutes and run the sequence the titles go right to left from off scrren right to off screen left however this does it before the end of the sequence and it repeates the title scroll event again , why is it repeating and not just taking to 2 mins to scroll through? its like its a 30sec sequence and repeating instead of taking the 2 mins to scroll all the way from the one side to the other side.

im sure its simple yet its escaping me.

im almost there !!! next is adding the smaller titles the same as that youtube vid and bringing them to centre and then shooting off screen with a bit of a blur to them.

once i get these intro titles done im sorted for the rest of the film sequence by using different video sequences intermixed with still immages that are timed along the still track to appear.

im really starting to love this now!!

after i got all this i want to learn about adding vignetting slight dark gradients around the top and edges , similar to the top gear style filming, i know they use lens filters to do it, but there must be an equivalent plugin.

once again thanks for the help!!

fuddam
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2 things:

1) just tried it using pan/crop, and don;t know why yours is looping. You using pan/crop or track motion?

2) no plugin needed for vignette. Vegas is da man! :D

just use a generated media/Color Gradient/Elliptical Transparent to Black - then adjust the size and feathering
OR
use a Cookie Cutter FX set to none, dropped on the text parent, and adjust the BORDER and FEATHERING to suit.

and make sure your sync to cursor button is not turned on at bottom left of dialogue box timeline. ;)

UPDATE: you're using keyframes within your text generated media PLACEMENT instead of the pan/crop, so looping the text for duration also loops the movement of the text

AND

if you're keen on motion blur, you can add it via CTRL SHIFT B (to turn on the Video Bus Track, also accessible via View menu), then right click track header and add a motion blur envelope, which can be keyframed using double clicks on the envelope.
However, remember to disable the motion blur on all layers that don't need it, by clicking the BYPASS MOTION BLUR button on each relevant track header, alongside the track name box

motion blur adds major time to render, too.

bigsi
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ok heres a shot of my vegas you can see where it ends you have to zoom into the pic a little to see my typing and arrows
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b6/pk0258/bodywork/shot.jpg

also if you right click on the title in track and select properties you have a box that pops up with two tabs on, on the tab named video event you have a small lsit of check boxes one of them is loop, i unticked it and it stopped the loop however the title still finishes way to early, also it takes its time scrolling into the frame for some reason. its sinking in but my god its not easy is it!!!!

i have got heroglyph for the other titles so im going to give that a whirl

fuddam
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lookee here:

works for me. scrolls image across over 20 secs, though text is looped to create duration.

used pan/crop for scrolling

bigsi
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ok well the easiest way for me was to goto the title track and click the title icon tothe right that brought up the title window with the text etc in, and then i went to placement, i set the timeline to zero and then with the title to the right off screen i made a key frame, then i moved the timeline cursor to 3 mins in and moved the title to left off screen and it had made a keyframe but i still clicked add key frame to make sure it locked the new position in. then i tested it, perfect scrolling however its the same as last time it only lasts a certain time and then will either loop or with loop turned off will not scroll for the 3 min period.

the pan and scan feature isnt something i have got into yet im still only a week old on this! i guess im learning the harder things first but i have always been that way.

i checked the sequence in best/auto preview and it looks really really good!

im getting farther in this than i am in premiere!

fuddam
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yep, do the text movement with pan/crop and problem will be solved :D

bigsi
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ok i tired that and i must be doing something wrong, anycahnce you can do a detailed how to for me? this is the one thing im stuck on!! go figure eh!, once again many many thanks for your help with this.

simon

bigsi
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this is really annoying me now, all i want to do is take the titel sequence and have it scroll right to left for more than 20 seconds, it stops at that little triangle in the track as shown in the picture link, and you cant seem to move that little triangle marker at all. i have used the pro titler to do the little under title sequences and they look really good, i even managed to get them to pause slightly , move back and then shoot forward it does look nice.

the vieo pan/crop wont do anything for me, maybe because i have the title fonts too large i dont know, but there must be some way to make them longer with the placement automation and keyframes in the text editor.

why for gods sake would you limit the placement automation to just 20 seconds??? thats just plain idiotic!

fuddam
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bigsi wrote:
why for gods sake would you limit the placement automation to just 20 seconds??? thats just plain idiotic!

I'd drop the placement automation myself, since it doesn't allow you to zoom out etc, but anyway. It's probably being limited by the actual length of your text, i.e. 20 secs. Makes sense then, that you can't extend the duration of the movement beyond the duration of the text

that little triangle / notch is telling you the end of the clip - it's the loop point, which you'll see on any clip you extend. very useful.

open the text dialogue box. At the top is the duration. Alter that to your 2 mins or whatever is required, and my guess is that it will work.

;)

bigsi
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fuddam, i love you.. my god !! i tried that several times and it wouldnt have it, then for some reason its just worked!! and i can adjust the placement of the title end in real time while looping to get the right off scrren point to the music!!!

my god, thanks very much again, what a gent! or lady, i dont know!!!
i can now get on withthe under titles get them in save that section down and start on the main movie sequence with the stills, random vid injections and varied effects and transitions i want to do.

one other quickie for you fuddam, in the beginning of that you tube sequence if fades in with a checkerboard finish flag style, i found checkerboard in the effects secion but it doesnt give the same response, any ideas on how to achieve it?

im going to get on withthe titles now, nce again thanks for your help.

fuddam
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bigsi wrote:
my god, thanks very much again, what a gent! or lady, i dont know!!!

gent ;)

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one other quickie for you fuddam, in the beginning of that you tube sequence if fades in with a checkerboard finish flag style, i found checkerboard in the effects secion but it doesnt give the same response, any ideas on how to achieve it?

did what you wanted, though you're probably going to have learn pan/crop to make it.

1) add checkerboard.

2) set its own keyframes, within its dialogue, for the transition from white to transparent for Colour 2. Will be very close keyframes, no doubt.

3) use pan crop. change size to very small on screen, then move to final position on timeline and make it very large.

an alternative for the zooming is to use a zoom transition (which can be keyframed too, if you want), though I didn't really bother with that method. I also added a touch of rotation in my pan/crop for flavour

I'm helping you because I like to, AND it helps me to avoid my work :p

bigsi
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im doing ok with the titles under the main title i have figured out the timeline feature in protitle its basically similar to a velocity timeline i use in digital performer pro studio software on my mac, its nice that i can loop the section on the main video sequence and drop in various points in the title sequence to adjust the forward/backward motion and speed etc. my god i love this programme needless to say i have uninstalled premiere now as its taking drive space! wish i hadnt bought it now but there we go.

bigsi
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heres a snap of how its going, relly well thanks fuddam

fuddam
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sweet stuff :D

Arthur.S
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Don't know if this is any help? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBYGXC_zD5Y
It's Crystal text, but also scrolling across.