Which colour printer?

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Stephen Carter
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I have an Epson R800 Printer which is a great printer but the running costs are scary and the printer seems to use up the colour cartridges just printing black (presumeably through auto head cleans etc.)
A look around PC World drew my attention to the Kodak 5300. Cheap ink it claims with wow quality. Anybody tried one? What is the scanner like - there are no specs on it at all.
The man there was trying to sell me the Canon equivilent which he raved about and thought it was much more frugal with its ink.
Any comments?

Stephen Carter
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Peter Phelan
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Hi Stephen,

It depends upon how much printing you are doing but if it's a lot, then why not consider a continuous ink system for the R800. As you know this printer gives excellent results.

Take a look at the Permaflow system - http://www.novadigital.co.uk/product/113/Eco-Flo_Epson_R800_R1800_.html

I am just about to install one for my R1800 and am writing a test review for a Pro photography mag on it too. But something like this, although you have the initial capital outlay, will dramatically reduce running costs

Peter

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tom hardwick
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Do you want to print your white-topped CDs and DVDs? And if so, will the Kodak do that? If it won't, I'd give it a wide berth.

Stephen Carter
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Thanks guys.
Wow this ink flow system looks interesting. I don't reckon I print that much really but I could do three cardridge changes a year and I have paid for the system. Are there any snags? What is the shelf life? Does it suffer from embolisms? What is the print life? The current Epson cartridges are very good in this respect.

Tom,
I haven't printed white top discs on the R800 as I got a bit fed up trying to get a lesser Epson machine to work reliably doing same. I tend to use labels. I know - wait for a massive debate on that subject!

Stephen Carter
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tom hardwick
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Gosh, my 'lesser Epson' the Stylus 900 model has printed literally hundreds and hundreds of discs. The only mishaps are when I'm just too impatient.

Z Cheema
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I Have a Canon Ip4000R and the inks are really cheap on that, one of the reasons for buying were good quality and cheap inks, the Canon inks are £9 each and they do last along time, they are see-through and no chips in the carts

Prints CD/DVDs very well, also does double sided printing.

Stephen Carter
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I can't remember which printer it was Tom but I know I had to wiggle the disc tray about or the system got totally freaked out and I had to reboot the printer - I was doing dozens of discs at the time and it drove me nuts. Maybe I should try again.

Yes I have heard that Canon was a lot more economical Z.

Peter - wow the installation looks like micro-surgery from the instructions. I am a bit confused about the Matte black/glossy black issue. Does this apply to the R800? I would want to be able to print documents as well as photos.

Stephen Carter
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Peter Phelan
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Hi Stephen,

The R800 was designed as a photo printer really so the multiple blacks are to help in this respect, particularly for photographers who want to print B&W or toned images.

My R1800 - which is essentially an A3+ version uses the same ink carts as the R800 and the CD and DVD's it prints directly to disc are superb. However if this is the main use, these printers may be a bit over the top qualitywise. I also print large quantities of promotional material such as double sided promo cards, price lists etc as well as photos up to A3+

Being a pro commercial photographer, I also have a wide format HP Designjet Z2100 - 24 inches wide roll - but although much cheaper to run than the Epson, it does not handle sheet paper so well; indeed it's a pain to do batch printing of small items. I am therefore converting my R1800 to be more economic all round. When printing say A5 promo flyers, every last penny counts when you are adding up the total unit cost on a mailshot.

But as always it's horses for courses really

Peter

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Stephen Carter
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Hi Peter,
Can I check a couple of things then. Do you have to change between cartridges on the R800/R1800 or does the machine behave totally like the standard version.
Have you done the installation yet? Is it as tricky as the instructions make it look?
Can I check out the question about the life of the prints.

Stephen Carter
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Peter Phelan
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Hi Stephen,

I have not done the installation yet - still using the Epson carts I have and moving offices at present.

The new cartridges from the CIS are programmed to tell the printer they are always full. You then just top up the separate ink bottles mounted alongside the printer as required. You can buy the ink in bulk quantites of up 1 litre to decant into the smaller 125 mil ones and this really brings the costs down.

As for lightfastness - 85 years plus under normal storage/usage conditions I understand. You can always call Permajet for info; they are very helpful and of course have demo equipment and prints at the annual Focus Exhibition at the NEC in February each year.

Peter

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I give Canon a thumbs up also. Just bought Pixma i4300 and i5300, both under £100. Superb CD/DVD printing, outstanding photo printing at good speed. Economical and a separate pigment black for text.

Just one downside, in duplex mode there is a long pause between sides which slows printing down. In single sided mode they are fast :)

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Bob Aldis
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What software does the Canon use for disks and is it as good/better than Epson and is it accurate.

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Barry Hunter
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The Accuracy is 100%, achieved by using their disc pallet. The software is their own, CD Label Print. We use the IP4300 & IP9100, only downside of the IP4300 is the neccesety to use origonal inks although I believe there was a post recently re using non-origonals but you had to swop the chip.

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Bob Aldis
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Thanks Barry. My old Epson 900 is past its best and I have been looking at the Canons recommended by a few people on the forums including Alan. It only just occured to me that the Epson software is geared to the caddy and I had better find out before I buy.

I have been toying with the idea of replacement inks for some time, but the new generation of printers seem to be taking the option away.

Someone on another forum had rechipped the 4300 replacements and the printer came up with a message and shut down completely after some usage.

BobA

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