Windows 8 rethink

51 replies [Last post]
Fergie
Offline
Joined: Jan 9 2001
I have read in a newspaper that Microsoft are thinking about changes to Windows 8 because of negative feedback from the public
 
I have put off, for seemingly ages, buying a new 'dogsbody' computer largely because I have yet to meet someone with a good word to say about Windows 8. Will that change in the near future??
 
Does anyone know more about this ?
 
Cheers. 

               
                  Fergie
There's only one eF in Ferguson

I now seem to spend a lot of time arguing with inanimate objects

RayL
Offline
Joined: Mar 31 1999
Re: Windows 8 rethink
Windows 8 was always likely to be a dud since it is part of a well-known pattern
 
Windows 3.0 - dud
 
Windows 3.1 - OK
 
Windows 95 - dud
 
Windows 98 - OK (particularly 98SE, which was the 'breakthrough' OS for video editing)
 
Windows Millenium Edition - dud
 
Windows XP - OK
 
Windows Vista  - dud
 
Windows 7 - OK
 
Windows 8 - dud
 
(the only one that doesn't fit the pattern is Windows 2000, which was developed out of Win NT. Coming out at about the same time as ME, it was OK and started a 'new line', being the predecessor to XP)
 
Apparently there is something called 'Windows Blue' being hurriedly brought out to replace 8 (rather as 7 was brought out in a hurry to replace Vista).
 
Because of Microsoft's unpleasant habit of trying to make hardware and software unusable after a relatively short time, I keep 'legacy computers' running the  'OK' versions (3.1, 98SE, 2000, XP, 7) . Instead of trying to use flawed present-day software I have 'the tool for the job' ready at the push of an on-switch.
 
Ray
Gavin Gration
Offline
Joined: Jul 29 1999
Re: Windows 8 rethink
Bought a SFF PC to hang on back of TV in my play room at home.
 
The good:
 
Boots quickly
 
The bad:
 
Really stupid and annoying interface
Metro apps do NOT support 720P TVs - none of it works, not even explorer.
 
I installed Google Chrome browser and Classic shell to make it usable.
 
It's very annoying.
Fergie
Offline
Joined: Jan 9 2001
Re: Windows 8 rethink
Ray..I'd be quite happy they had stayed with XP
 
Gavin...SFF...???
 
Cheers.

               
                  Fergie
There's only one eF in Ferguson

I now seem to spend a lot of time arguing with inanimate objects

Gavin Gration
Offline
Joined: Jul 29 1999
Re: Windows 8 rethink
Small Form Factor - basically tiny - like a really chunky DVD case.
Fergie
Offline
Joined: Jan 9 2001
Re: Windows 8 rethink
Thanks Gavin.
 
(Every day's a school day)

               
                  Fergie
There's only one eF in Ferguson

I now seem to spend a lot of time arguing with inanimate objects

RayL
Offline
Joined: Mar 31 1999
Re: Windows 8 rethink
Fergie,
 
XP was the first Microsoft OS where the retail  version demanded that it be registered with Microsoft before it would work fully. However, there was a (quite legitimate, not hacked) version that didn't.
 
XP, of course, runs that excellent program Premiere 6.5 and many others that Vista and 7 and 8 won't.
 
If XP is of interest, send me a PM.
 
Ray
 
 
col lamb
Offline
Joined: Jan 2 2010
Re: Windows 8 rethink
Windows 7 is better but I have recently bought an Asus N56 laptop that came with Windows 8.
 
I installed Adobe Premiere CS5.5 + the other related apps OK but it failed to install Edius 6 but that was not windows at fault it is a fault with Grass Valley, that said Edius Neo installed and works fine.
 
It is more than capable of running Premiere for editing, After Effects and Photoshop.
 
The Windows 8 pain is the mobile phone appearance when booted which it does very, very quickly, but the interface is soon removed by a click on the desktop app, thereafter it works similar to Windows 7.
 
So for me on the laptop it works OK but I certainly would not bother to upgrade my main editing PC to it as there is no point, ...........if it is not broke, there is no need to fix it.

Col Lamb Lancashire UK ASUS P6X58D-E MOBO, 3.3GHz hex core i7 CPU, 12GB RAM, nVidia GTX580 GPU, W7 64bit, 500Gb boot, 1Tb RAID (Mirror) Store, 500Gb RAID (stripped), Edius 6.05, CS 5.5

ChrisG
Offline
Joined: Apr 10 1999
Re: Windows 8 rethink
W8 isn't as  bad as  the  doomslayers would  have you  believe, the MK2  version should set us  up nicely.  Be  positive research the good   bits,  been running via an ssd version for a  month and a pleasure to use once set up properly.
 
I shudder to  think the efficiency or security of some of the  XP systems  knocking about............
FreeFlow
Offline
Joined: Mar 1 2012
Re: Windows 8 rethink
If MS started making OS systems based upon what is easy to use and understand instead of what looks cool they might start making some progress. The trouble is that they seem to be wanting to differentiate their OS from the competition by making things prettier to look at rather than blending form with functionality.
Fergie
Offline
Joined: Jan 9 2001
Re: Windows 8 rethink
The new version is being called Windows 8.1 Blue.
It will be available as a free upgrade to Windows 8.

               
                  Fergie
There's only one eF in Ferguson

I now seem to spend a lot of time arguing with inanimate objects

Gavin Gration
Offline
Joined: Jul 29 1999
Re: Windows 8 rethink
Peel away the layers and they're all the same - Windows 8 is simply Windows 98 with knobs on.
 
Windows 98 did most things for most people most of the time. MS have been fixing/breaking/repackaging and reselling it for the last 15 years.
 
Currently it's broken - stupid interface - but they're fixing it (again).
 
Apple are no different - they just have nicer looking fonts.
Maxwell
Offline
Joined: Jan 13 2007
Re: Windows 8 rethink
Gavin,Apple must be different. Less complains. Or should i go to Specsavers???????
Gavin Gration
Offline
Joined: Jul 29 1999
Re: Windows 8 rethink
I meant no different as in Mac OS has generally done the job quite well (just like Windows) - they did switch from OS9 to OS.X and then from PPC to Intel - which caused bumps in the road but nothing quite as dramatic in PR terms as Windows Vista/8.
 
At least Apple have decent pricing on upgrades/OS & (IIRC) aren't as mean on multi-user licensing.
bcrabtree
Offline
Joined: Mar 7 1999
Re: Windows 8 rethink
Windows 8 immediately becomes massively more user-friendly and usable if you install StartIsBack - and it costs very little indeed.
 
I've installed it on half-a-dozen of my clients computers (who didn't speak to me before they bought new PCs) and on two of my own.
 
I now regard it as indispensable.
 
Cheers
 
Bob
sleepytom
sleepytom's picture
Offline
Joined: Sep 15 2000
Re: Windows 8 rethink
Most win8 machines come with a 7 downgrade licence - so you can legally go back to the best OS MS have ever made. :)

You can contact me at http://tombassford.org
People interested in live production might like to check out http://atemuser.com 

bcrabtree
Offline
Joined: Mar 7 1999
Re: Windows 8 rethink
sleepytom wrote:
Most win8 machines come with a 7 downgrade licence - so you can legally go back to the best OS MS have ever made. :)
 
I've seen eight or more Win8  PCs since Christmas - not one of them had that option or rather, if any of them did, it was so well hidden that I didn't see it.
 
Cheers
 
Bob
 
Pete Allen
Offline
Joined: Oct 25 2006
Re: Windows 8 rethink
I bought Windows 8 while it was still on special, £25 upgrade.
 
After spending a while tweaking and, installing Classic start menu, I've got to say, I wouldn't go back to 7, or any other version.
 
Faster loading, faster response, no crashes or freezing, just a joy to use.
 
I suppose it just goes to show, as with most things, it's all subjective.

I drink to steady my nerves. Last night I got so steady I couldn't move. Wedding video essex

RayL
Offline
Joined: Mar 31 1999
Re: Windows 8 rethink
Does Windows 8 have that annoying feature which, I think, came in with Vista where hardware devices such as DVD players and card readers are not shown in Windows Explorer unless (in the case of DVD players) they have a disk which can be read by Windows and (in the case of card readers) a card that can be read by Windows ?
 
And I don't suppose (by any remote chance) that it has a file entitled "Here's all the things we've taken out since the last version" ?
 
Ray
sleepytom
sleepytom's picture
Offline
Joined: Sep 15 2000
Re: Windows 8 rethink
there is a setting for that in the folder view options in 7 at least.
 
 

You can contact me at http://tombassford.org
People interested in live production might like to check out http://atemuser.com 

RayL
Offline
Joined: Mar 31 1999
Re: Windows 8 rethink
sleepytom wrote:
there is a setting for that in the folder view options in 7 at least.
 
That rather makes my point. Something which was a feature in previous versions becomes an option - but as far as the user is concerned it has been removed. To spend hours searching through Windows for things that might or might not be there is unreasonable thing to be asked to do.
 
Although millions use Microsoft products they are not liked - and Microsoft have only got themselves to blame.
 
Ray
 
sleepytom
sleepytom's picture
Offline
Joined: Sep 15 2000
Re: Windows 8 rethink
By that logic you should still be using DOS!
 
I'm constantly amazed by the attitude which says that new versions of a software should retain all the previous features and never change any default settings. Progress depends on change, modern video projects need the power of 64bit computing to have any hope of reasonable performance at HD (and now 4k). Modern OSes work loads better than the old 32bit windows ever did - windows 7 works very well out of the box, not something that could be said for their older operating systems. 

You can contact me at http://tombassford.org
People interested in live production might like to check out http://atemuser.com 

johnd
Offline
Joined: Mar 8 2009
Re: Windows 8 rethink
You have a fair point Tom, I recall getting a laptop with Vista and everyone telling me I was in for no end of trouble (which never happened).
 
I almost feel like Windows is like Star Trek movies where everyone is convinced you should only watch the even numbered films!
 
Or is it the odd numbered films?
RayL
Offline
Joined: Mar 31 1999
Re: Windows 8 rethink
sleepytom wrote:
I'm constantly amazed by the attitude which says that new versions of a software should retain all the previous features and never change any default settings.
 
That's not the point that I'm making.
 
I'm very happy to have new features in software (provided they are properly explained)
 
BUT changes and deletions also need to be flagged. That is a completely reasonable expectation for an existing user who needs to take on the upgrade smoothly - or reject the changes as being unsuitable.
Fergie
Offline
Joined: Jan 9 2001
Re: Windows 8 rethink

               
                  Fergie
There's only one eF in Ferguson

I now seem to spend a lot of time arguing with inanimate objects

Fergie
Offline
Joined: Jan 9 2001
Re: Windows 8 rethink
Has anyone tried out the Windows 8.1 yet.

               
                  Fergie
There's only one eF in Ferguson

I now seem to spend a lot of time arguing with inanimate objects

Ron Spicer
Offline
Joined: Jul 22 2001
Re: Windows 8 rethink
Without seeking resurrection of that oldie about Mac and Microsoft, I really am glad I changed to a Mac those quite a few years ago.   I still remember the lovely feeling of going to a system which seemed so solid and reliable after getting really wound-up by my Windows machine I was using at that time with first, the Amiga and then a Time computer.
 
We still have a Windows laptop but with an  old OS that we won't ever change!   Wifee likes to play her card programme on it . . .
 
I've moaned about the Mac on odd occasions but have come to realise that it is a good piece of equipment for what I do and I've never had to let down a customer.
Tony7
Offline
Joined: Mar 21 2001
Re: Windows 8 rethink
Just looking at Windows 8 myself and want to ask,... when will Windows 8.1 update be available to download to those that already have Win8.Will a windows update install 8.1 now?
 

Tony.
Asrock Z68 Extreme7 --i7-2700K --Edius Pro7--HDStorm+ --16GB Kingston HyperX--GTX 560Ti--AX850 PSU--MxM PCI-e Reader--Win8.1 Pro 64bit

Tony7
Offline
Joined: Mar 21 2001
Re: Windows 8 rethink
Tony7 wrote:
...when will Windows 8.1 update be available to download to those that already have Win8
 
September/October, as far as I see.
 

Tony.
Asrock Z68 Extreme7 --i7-2700K --Edius Pro7--HDStorm+ --16GB Kingston HyperX--GTX 560Ti--AX850 PSU--MxM PCI-e Reader--Win8.1 Pro 64bit

flyingscotsman
Offline
Joined: Aug 5 2013
Re: Windows 8 rethink
Like most businesses Microsoft are in the business of ripping people off. Why make something work when millions of people will pay yet again for yet another version that doesn't work properly? Their main concern is buying out everything that tries to upset their monopoly-not providing good, reliable and cost effective products. It's not a new concept,  Tesco's have spent years refining it into an art. They get caught ripping us off - no matter, people keep buying their products so what do they care? It's the same with Microsoft. The only way you can change it is stop giving them your money. Other than that suffer it and deal with the consequences. From my experience, all the versions stink. There hasn't been a windows yet that did what it was supposed to do out of the box. You spend three years getting it to work properly and then find out all the new software won't run with that version anymore. A poxy industry and a poxy company turning out a poxy product. That's all there is to say.
*Soapbox Mode Disengaged.* *Returning to normal service*
johnd
Offline
Joined: Mar 8 2009
Re: Windows 8 rethink
This may go down as the definition of 'not beating around the bush'
Tony7
Offline
Joined: Mar 21 2001
Re: Windows 8 rethink
:)

Tony.
Asrock Z68 Extreme7 --i7-2700K --Edius Pro7--HDStorm+ --16GB Kingston HyperX--GTX 560Ti--AX850 PSU--MxM PCI-e Reader--Win8.1 Pro 64bit

Ron Spicer
Offline
Joined: Jul 22 2001
Re: Windows 8 rethink
flyingscotsman wrote:
Like most businesses Microsoft are in the business of ripping people off. Why make something work when millions of people will pay yet again for yet another version that doesn't work properly? Their main concern is buying out everything that tries to upset their monopoly-not providing good, reliable and cost effective products. It's not a new concept,  Tesco's have spent years refining it into an art. They get caught ripping us off - no matter, people keep buying their products so what do they care? It's the same with Microsoft. The only way you can change it is stop giving them your money. Other than that suffer it and deal with the consequences. From my experience, all the versions stink. There hasn't been a windows yet that did what it was supposed to do out of the box. You spend three years getting it to work properly and then find out all the new software won't run with that version anymore. A poxy industry and a poxy company turning out a poxy product. That's all there is to say.
*Soapbox Mode Disengaged.* *Returning to normal service*
 
Well - well, Flying Scotsman.    Your thoughts are certainly not raillery; and some may consider you've gone off the rails somewhat.    I have an Apple computer with Leopard installed and that  has some very different qualities to the latest OS's which my other two Macs with also different OS's have.    The reason for my choice of differences?   They match most of whatever came on the market in the way of software over time that suits my needs and pleasures!
 
After such an onslaught on Microsoft, may I be told, please, what computer system do you operate . . . ?
 
RayL
Offline
Joined: Mar 31 1999
Re: Windows 8 rethink
I'm with Flying Scotsman on this one. Microsoft are like UK political parties - none on them do what you want but to keep things working you have to have something.
 
Ray (reluctant Microsoft user)
Ron Spicer
Offline
Joined: Jul 22 2001
Re: Windows 8 rethink
RayL wrote:
I'm with Flying Scotsman on this one. Microsoft are like UK political parties - none on them do what you want but to keep things working you have to have something.
 
Ray (reluctant Microsoft user)
 
Try a Mac, Ray!
 
Ron
 
RayL
Offline
Joined: Mar 31 1999
Re: Windows 8 rethink
Ron,
 
An operating system is only a way of accessing programs - it is the programs that are actually useful. The OS is just a means to an end.
 
Having started with a Video Genie computer in 1979 and progressed through MSX, I changed to a PC and Windows 3.1 in 1992. At that time the Apple computers were very expensive and Apple software was extremely limited. You had no choice but to buy what Apple dictated at the high prices that Apple dictated.
 
By contrast, the IBM PC design was excellent - effectively a 'kit' computer that allowed progressive upgrades as needs and finance allowed. A wide range of programs was available, with competition keeping the prices down. If it meant using Windows as the OS, well, one just had to put up with it.
 
Twenty years later I have a huge legacy of documents, addresses, technical drawings and of course all the things to do with computer editing and DVD making. They all need a PC computer.
 
Changing now to a Mac, where the company can dictate to their customers on hardware, OS and software is not practical and certainly does not appeal. About a year ago I did go to a demo of FCPX, but it had nothing that made it an essential purchase.
 
Ray
flyingscotsman
Offline
Joined: Aug 5 2013
Re: Windows 8 rethink
RayL wrote:
 
 
Twenty years later I have a huge legacy of documents, addresses, technical drawings and of course all the things to do with computer editing and DVD making. They all need a PC computer.
 
Changing now to a Mac, where the company can dictate to their customers on hardware, OS and software is not practical and certainly does not appeal. About a year ago I did go to a demo of FCPX, but it had nothing that made it an essential purchase.
 
Ray
 
Yes, I am sort of in the same boat. I have had a pc since Amstrad were on the market, (yes I know) and to a greater part my experience of PC use has been reasonably okay. If there has been a problem it had nearly always been with the operating systems. (and yes I have only ever used Windows)  The reason for originally sticking with Windows was that at the time I considered changing there were so many posts on so many forums having trouble getting this and that to run, plus as my pc had to perform many tasks it just didn't seem an option at the time to go to Mac. It was the same when Linux hit the market. It always seemed that people on other OS were having as much trouble as I was. Back to my original post though, it's not that Microsoft can't do it, it's just that they won't. They worked on Win 7 and Apple brought an update out so they stopped refining Win 7, sold it as was and started on Win 8. This is how they have always worked.  Ultimately, most of their products have been - to coin a phrase, 'Not fit for purpose.' And it's not as if they are cheap. Most of the big name companies rip us off. Look at Adobe. Consider what their products do and then consider the programming needed to produce some of the latest games. There is a massive disparity to what this software does for the money.  
As for the OP's we still buy them because we have to, not because we ought to. 
 
Off the rails? Me? Ha ha. Never actually been on them
 
I'm going to have to lie down now, it's too high on that soapbox.......
 
Oh and by the way - my OP Win7.
Ron Spicer
Offline
Joined: Jul 22 2001
Re: Windows 8 rethink
In keeping with the comment on Tesco ripoffs, the company has just been fined £300.000 in Birmingham for using misleading publicity in order to sell goods.   An old lady stood her ground with her complaint and had succeeded in causing a successful prosecution but sadly has since died without knowing the success of her tenacity.
 
Regarding the comments on the Mac systems, I also had my early days on the Microsoft stuff starting with the Amiga and progressing through on a PC which nearly drove me nuts then changed to the Mac and found peace at last with what I wished to accomplish.   We still have just one PC but it is relegated to my wife playing a golf game on it!   The three Macs I earlier mentioned cover all my requirements but importantly,  it's the ease and intuitive way of the systems that satisfy me so well.   I'm using FCP6 and 7 as well as FCPX, all for differently chosen purposes.
 
When I first changed I had the usual reservations and was quite nervous about it all but hey, I'd never go back.
 
Ron
steve
Offline
Joined: Apr 8 1999
Re: Windows 8 rethink
Having been on windows since version 3.0 in 1991, I can't say that its been a trouble free relationship. With Win95, it seems that the focus switched to the user interface rather than reliability of the underlying works. This didn't change until Win2000 came although release date pressure forced Microsoft to rework Win98SE into the ill-conceived Millenium version of Windows, (really Win98 Third Edition). XP was really just a fused version of Win 2000 and Millenium with some of the security issues unresolved but pushed onto the market to meet commercial demands. I have one general office PC running XP and it is not particularly stable, especially when multiple programs are running. XP's recovery from the ensuing lock-ups and crashes is not that clever.
Since then, Microsoft seems to have been trying to meet marketing demands and addressing mass user moral security panics with each version of the operating system. Vista, frequently lambasted as a complete failure was basically a sound OS, but it was bogged down with digital copyright management and over-zealous security implementation. Its new driver structure however survived as the basis for Windows 7, itself widely regarded as a good implementation of Windows. I have had no problems running video, photo and sound editing programs on Win7 64bit.
I've not used Windows 8 except on the trial last year. It was quite snappy in running programs once I had got past the 'Fisher-Price' front-end. I don't like the OS making decisions on how I access the computer's resources so if/when I do get a PC with the current version installed, it will be at least version 8.1 which allows a more accessible start button interface.
I've not used any Apple PC OSs but early experience of an iPad are extremely frustrating. Getting access to imported files seems to be impossible but opportunities to buy applications and multimedia files online seem to be exactly what the device is designed for. The hardware has absolutely no upgrade path, (except for new white headsets etc.) so the user is expected to bin the whole lot in a couple of years and pay (financial) homage to Apple by buying the latest and greatest annual offering.
My PCs are generally like the 100 year old broom, keyboard, mouse, case, power supply, drives etc. are replaced when they fail or are full, not because this year's model renders them obsolete. I suppose its an ex engineer's view of consumable products, but one day the sustainable argument must come home to roost.
ChrisG
Offline
Joined: Apr 10 1999
Re: Windows 8 rethink
Hi
 
This  may  be of interest on Tech Republic Site  - Click HERE
Ron Spicer
Offline
Joined: Jul 22 2001
Re: Windows 8 rethink
Hi Steve
 
From the little I know through my children and grandchildren using the iPad, as well as having read different past reports, to compare it with a full blown computer is setting it to a disadvantage.   It is being used worldwide in schools and  many  business organisations for various purposes with much success, unlike how a computer proper would be used with portability obviously being to the for.
 
I'm expecting one for Xmas !
 
Incidentally, I enjoyed your input, if only to note how you approached matters from a 'wide' point of view.
 
Ron.
steve
Offline
Joined: Apr 8 1999
Re: Windows 8 rethink
ChrisG wrote:
Hi
 
This  may  be of interest on Tech Republic Site  - Click HERE
 
Thanks for the link. I had already downloaded the trial and burnt it to a DVD but it refused to install on the the PC that I had available. The trial expired if it wasn't installed by 15 August anyway.
steve
Offline
Joined: Apr 8 1999
Re: Windows 8 rethink
Ron Spicer wrote:
Hi Steve
 
From the little I know through my children and grandchildren using the iPad, as well as having read different past reports, to compare it with a full blown computer is setting it to a disadvantage.   It is being used worldwide in schools and  many  business organisations for various purposes with much success, unlike how a computer proper would be used with portability obviously being to the for.
 
I'm expecting one for Xmas !
 
Incidentally, I enjoyed your input, if only to note how you approached matters from a 'wide' point of view.
 
Ron.
 
Ron, my criticism of iPads was more an aside that my experience of Apple products (so far) seem to lock the user down to their doctrine, - in the case of iOS devices specifically, for Apple's commercial convenience. The concept of a product that is binned after a couple of years suits schools who don't want the inconvenience of hardware support, and businesses can just write the costs off against their tax liabilities.
Clearly the physical design makes it the tech must-have for the masses, the majority of whom wouldn't even think of where things are stored.
My initial experience of it is that it is a great portable browser when travelling or watching the TV. A couple of weeks ago, however, I did have a problem with it losing an imported file. First I installed Sony Play Memories Mobile, (an Apple approved application that connects my Sony AS15 action cam by wi-fi) to use the tablet as a viewfinder, control the camera and download files. The viewfinder worked fine as it should and I could control the camera. I then did a trial download to the iPad. The action took about the time it should for the file size so I'm confident that it did transfer. I have used all the iPad applications to play or find the file to no avail. Even connecting it to a PC using iTunes didn't help. There are no mechanisms in the Sony program nor the tablet itself to direct downloads to a particular storage area. I have had the Android version of the the same Sony program on my fairly basic smartphone for a few months and I can use all its functions including locate the downloaded files and retrieve them.
As an engineer, I find that iOS is too restrictive. The device is clearly not suitable for much more than internet access and buying more software.
Ron Spicer
Offline
Joined: Jul 22 2001
Re: Windows 8 rethink
Quote:
. . . "Clearly the physical design makes it the tech must-have for the masses, the majority of whom wouldn't even think of where things are stored.
My initial experience of it is that it is a great portable browser when travelling or watching the TV. A couple of weeks ago, however, I did have a problem with it losing an imported file. First I installed Sony Play Memories Mobile, (an Apple approved application that connects my Sony AS15 action cam by wi-fi) to use the tablet as a viewfinder, control the camera and download files. The viewfinder worked fine as it should and I could control the camera. I then did a trial download to the iPad. The action took about the time it should for the file size so I'm confident that it did transfer. I have used all the iPad applications to play or find the file to no avail. Even connecting it to a PC using iTunes didn't help. There are no mechanisms in the Sony program nor the tablet itself to direct downloads to a particular storage area. I have had the Android version of the the same Sony program on my fairly basic smartphone for a few months and I can use all its functions including locate the downloaded files and retrieve them.
As an engineer, I find that iOS is too restrictive. The device is clearly not suitable for much more than internet access and buying more software. "
 
 
Have you enquired of the Apple Support to ensure there really is no way of it doing what you want, Steve?   OmniOutliner?
Gavin Gration
Offline
Joined: Jul 29 1999
Re: Windows 8 rethink
I haven't used that app but....
 
iOS tends to put videos into the camera roll.
 
You can retrieve these via Windows Explorer when hooked up via USB.
 
Whilst on the topic of Windows I just had one of my old RT2000 systems in for recovery - I sold it 6 years ago to a friend - he's managed to somehow frazzle all three hard drives. It's worked well all it's life until recently - I built it around 12 years ago (runs Win 2k). A fantastic ROI for IT hardware.
 
Apart from eye candy Windows 8 (and OSX) don't do anything better than W2k (which itself evolved from a mix of 98/NT).All they need to do is boot up and let me run software.
 
As Ray said - the OS is a means to run the software - which for a very long time has been Windows/Adobe Premiere (since 5.1) & it's associated bits and pieces that came along. Change is in the air now - FCPX. We're not going Mac only but Adobe are no longer welcome.
 
 
Fergie
Offline
Joined: Jan 9 2001
Re: Windows 8 rethink
I read somewhere that 8.1 will be available for download next month.

               
                  Fergie
There's only one eF in Ferguson

I now seem to spend a lot of time arguing with inanimate objects

Arthur.S
Offline
Joined: Jun 2 1999
Re: Windows 8 rethink
That's the preview version Fergie. The finished version is due here in the UK in October. Have to say I hated Windows 8 to start with, but it's won me over. I've also installed Bob's tip above of startisback - for $3. Very happy with it.
 
My last laptop ran Vista Home=DOG. My main editing PC still runs Vista Business 64bit=BRILLIANT. Without doubt the best, most stable OS I've ever used. Drives me nuts when I hear the "Macs are so reliable" nonsense. I used to work in the print, and the design departments always used Macs. The damn things were always falling over. I've lost count of the number of hours lost because "the system's down". They used to call it "down time". We printers called it "pub time". smiley
Tony7
Offline
Joined: Mar 21 2001
Re: Windows 8 rethink
Arthur.S wrote:
That's the preview version Fergie. The finished version is due here in the UK in October"

   So what is the difference in these two versions? Will two become one in October? :)  I have had a look at the preview version and have to say I would be happy enough with it.  (return key dosen't seem to be working for me on this site,...strange)                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    

Tony.
Asrock Z68 Extreme7 --i7-2700K --Edius Pro7--HDStorm+ --16GB Kingston HyperX--GTX 560Ti--AX850 PSU--MxM PCI-e Reader--Win8.1 Pro 64bit

Arthur.S
Offline
Joined: Jun 2 1999
Re: Windows 8 rethink
Looking at the warnings from MS, I'd say that the 'preview' version is what we'd normally call a 'beta'. 
Fergie
Offline
Joined: Jan 9 2001
Re: Windows 8 rethink
Beta  ?????
 
Just curious but between this post and my last posting the thread is being stretched of the edges of the screen. Or is it just my laptop ?
 
Cheers.

               
                  Fergie
There's only one eF in Ferguson

I now seem to spend a lot of time arguing with inanimate objects

Ron Spicer
Offline
Joined: Jul 22 2001
Re: Windows 8 rethink
I'm getting the same.   Happens once in a while then reverts.   This is one of those occasions!
Arthur.S
Offline
Joined: Jun 2 1999
Re: Windows 8 rethink
From Wikipedia: "Beta, named after the second letter of the Greek alphabet, is the software development phase following alpha. It generally begins when the software is feature complete. Software in the beta phase will generally have many more bugs in it than completed software, as well as speed/performance issues and may still cause crashes or data loss. The focus of beta testing is reducing impacts to users, often incorporating usability testing. The process of delivering a beta version to the users is called beta release and this is typically the first time that the software is available outside of the organization that developed it.
The users of a beta version are called beta testers. They are usually customers or prospective customers of the organization that develops the software, willing to test the software without charge, often receiving the final software free of charge or for a reduced price. Beta version software is often useful for demonstrations and previews within an organization and to prospective customers. Some developers refer to this stage as a preview, prototype, technical preview (TP),"
 
And yes, my forum window stretches off the edge too most of the time.